Creato-Terrorism

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It was only a matter of time. The creationists, frustrated at continued legal losses and the complete lack of respect they receive from scientists, have finally past the threshold from trying to distort science in schools to attacking science in a more direct fashion. Today’s Denver Post contains a very short piece about an unnamed “religious group” leaving threatening packages at the CU Boulder ecology and evolutionary biology department, just up the road from where I work. (I’m a little disappointed that our campus didn’t receive this honor – but then again I could do without security crawling all over the place, making sure we have our ID badges displayed properly, etc.)

The messages included the name of a religious-themed group and addressed the debate between evolution and creationism, CU police Cmdr. Brad Wiesley said. Wiesley would not identify the group named because police are still investigating.

“There were no overt threats to anybody specifically by name,” Wiesley said. “It basically said anybody who doesn’t believe in our religious belief is wrong and should be taken care of.”

The first threat was e-mailed to the labs - part of CU’s ecology and evolutionary biology department housed in the Ramaley Biology building - on Friday. Wiesley said Monday that morning staff members found envelopes with the threatening documents slipped under the lab doors.

Unfortunately, the article is short on details. More about this as it develops. Update: In what should come as a surprise to no one, Rob Crowther of the Discovery Institute, on the basis of no evidence at all, implies that the biologists who received these threats lied to the police about them. He also has a hard time with basic reading comprehension:

But where’s the evidence that the perps are actually creationists, or religious at all?

Read the second sentence of the article (i.e. the first sentence I quoted above). The policeman investigating this incident informed the Post that the group is “religiously-themed” and that they made references to creationism. Then again, maybe Crowther thinks the police are lying too. It gets worse:

As one colleague pointed out, that is hardly the way religious believers refer to their own belief system. Rarely do Christian groups refer to their own “religious beliefs” — it is mainly secularists who refer to beliefs with the modifier “religious.”

Except the person who used the modifier “religious” was the policeman, not the perpetrators. We do not know at this point what exactly the perpetrators said. We don’t even know for sure that they’re Christian (methinks Rob doth protest too much…)

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Assuming this isn’t something else (a bad joke, etc.), this would not surprise me in the least. I believe I’ve mentioned here before that I expect some Creationist/ID factions to resort to violence simply because they A) have nothing left, and B) are so wrapped up in demonizing people.

I also predict that if this news gets mentioned in the ID/Creationist circles, you’ll have a decent amount of them saying this is clearly a hoax to discredit them.

Maybe one of our Colorado connections will give us a scan of the letters. I’m curious if it has random punctuation and capitalization.

Wow, all that ever happened to me was getting my darwin fish (on my car) vandalized. I kinda expected it which is why I bought a five-pack the first time round.

It would be better not to put all of the creationists (including ID creationists) in the same boat. As in:

The creationists, frustrated at continued legal losses and the complete lack of respect they receive from scientists, have finally past the threshold from trying to distort science in schools to attacking science in a more direct fashion.

Seriously, I’m sure most are opposed to even the threats of violence, let alone carrying them out. Their potential threats to education and liberty are great enough without suggesting that creationists as a whole support bodily threats.

Glen D http://geocities.com/interelectromagnetic

Seriously, I’m sure most are opposed to even the threats of violence, let alone carrying them out.

True. But that has never stopped them from engaging in a lot of irresponsible rhetoric. If the DI and other creationists groups weren’t out there convincing fundamentalist Christians that scientists were trying to destroy their religion and imperil their mortal souls, then this kind of thing would be a lot less likely to happen.

I’m going to side with Steve here on this. If this is indeed a case of a Creationist/ID group making threats, then I would put the blame at the door of the people making inflammatory remarks on the Creationist/ID side.

There’s been a lot of overheated rhetoric about how “Darwinism” is destroying people, is responsible for genocide, etc. The rhetoric out there is frankly quite heated, and heated rhetoric can easily mean people end up burned.

I’m not surprised at all. Scan http://evilbender.wordpress.com/200[…]bing-legacy/ for an explanation:

“…Howard Ahmanson, a wealthy Californian who is heir to the Home Savings bank fortune. In the ’70s Ahmanson joined Rushdoony’s Christian Reconstructionist movement and served as a board member of Rushdoony’s Chalcedon Foundation for over ten years. Ahmanson currently serves on (the) Discovery (Institute)’s board of directors and is its largest contributor. His gift of $1.5 million provided the seed money to organize Discovery’s Center for Science and Culture.”

Check out the Wikipedia articles on “Dominionism” and “Christian Reconstructionism” if you want to see where some of these folks are coming from. Blowing up abortion clinics may now move on to blowing up the evil evolutionist labs.

All that’s needed is a creato-fatwa (unless the wedgie can be considered the model)…any suggestions for suicide id(ers)summer camp activities? Non-Darwinian Anthrax dispersal relay races …Oh, my - - -if he’s the decider does that make bush the intelligent designer who decides to invent? …does your head hurt as much as mine?

So.. will the DI:

1) distance themselves from this irresponsible action and categorically eschew violence;

2) ignore it and hope it goes away, or

3) blame the victims?

Place your bets now.

The DI will claim its a conspiracy at most, ignore it completely at best. They will not rebuke the action in any way.

I’m on the side of those saying “he who spews inflammatory rhetoric deserves a dressing down”, but those who act have the ultimate responsibility for the act.

Several of us here in Texas have given up putting Darwin fish on our cars. Despite their supposedly superior moral base, the good Christians can’t resist breaking Commandment #8. And how do I know they are Christians you might ask? They are kind enough to leave love notes wishing us an eternal torment if we don’t accept JAY-zus.

I’ve been expecting this for a while. Put it down to another successful evolutionary prediction :>). Terrorism and violence and cults go together like tuna on rye. Below is my post from PZ blog.

Christian terrorist organizations http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism

Army of God Several Christians who have targeted abortion providers have had close ties to the militant organization Army of God, including the former Presbyterian minister Paul Jennings Hill, Michael F. Griffin, and the Reverend Michael Bray. Eric Rudolph, Clayton Waagner, and James Kopp all had links to the Army of God.

Does misery like company? Christian terrorists have been active in the USA since forever. The more recent targets have been nonwhites from the christian identity movement (neonazis) and MDs and other health care workers. More than a few of the latter have been murdered.

At least evolution and related subjects are a target rich environment. From talkorigins, roughly 1/2 million people work in biology, medicine, geology, paleontology and astronomy.

As PZ said, probably nothing to worry about. Christian cultists deranged enough to be murderous are usually deranged enough to not be able to plan and carry out a competent assasination or suicide car bombing or whatever. Ummmm, well at least I hope so.

PS These christian cultists are sick and evil and their religion is fake and nothing to do with real christianity. Posted by: raven

I’ve said all along that the creos want to overthrow the US government, set up a theocracy, and head on back to the dark ages. They said so, the Wedge and so on. It would seem like a cultist fantasy. OTOH, Toynbee pointed out that 19 out of 22 civilizations decayed from within.

fnxtr So.. will the DI:

1) distance themselves from this irresponsible action and categorically eschew violence;

2) ignore it and hope it goes away, or

3) blame the victims?

Silly question. If there are more threats or outright terrorism they will;

A. Blame the victim(s). Claim that the actions were actually done by the scientists to discredit the cultists.

B. Secretly or maybe openly, they will celebrate. Every year they will reenact the XYZ biology department massacre.

A lot of people on these blogs don’t believe in god. Not sure why, the evidence for satan is pretty good. These cultist terrorists are following someone wrong and evil.

PS Iraq anyone? Don’t underestimate these wingnuts. Just look what religious fanatics with automatic rifles, IEDS, and other weapons have done in the ME.

“Seriously, I’m sure most are opposed to even the threats of violence, let alone carrying them out. Their potential threats to education and liberty are great enough without suggesting that creationists as a whole support bodily threats.”

Yeah, we just teach that all people outside of our belief system are evil and that pretty soon God is going to rapture us all to heaven and exterminate them all. Not only that, the beliefs of others are responsible for all the suffering in the world and are a danger to you, your children, and your immortal soul.

But we don’t support violence. We’re peaceful people. We leave that to others, and then we look the other way.

That’s how it works, folks. It’s exactly the same in the middle east. All Muslims aren’t violent at all, let alone suicide bombers or terrorists, but most just look the other way and continue to support the ideology that inspires such behavior.

If anyone threatened violence in the name of anything that I think or believe, not only would I be the first to condemn it but it would probably cause me to question aspects of my beliefs. If it was just one lone nut then oh well, but if it became a pattern then I’d start to wonder if something was wrong with the ideas themselves.

Silence implies consent.

Boulder Colorado. Is there a more liberal town in the USA? Here pets have been redesignated as “animal companions” and have their own set of civil rights. Unfortunately since the McCartney era (promise keepers), scandals regarding the Buffs, Jon-Benet Ramsey, gay-bashing (literally), and now this, all is not cool in the land of Celestial Seasonings. What to do? My guess is that this is either a prank or comes from one of the nearby bastions of wingnuttry such as Nederland or Ward. Why this didn’t happen at Colorado College (in Colorado Springs-home of focus on the family and the pro rodeo hall of fame) is more mysterious to me. Perhaps they don’t have such a Biology department. Did anyone bother to identify the mountain bike tread patterns of the perps as they made their escape down the Boulder Creek path?

Boulder Colorado. Is there a more liberal town in the USA? Here pets have been redesignated as “animal companions” and have their own set of civil rights. Unfortunately since the McCartney era (promise keepers), scandals regarding the Buffs, Jon-Benet Ramsey, gay-bashing (literally), and now this, all is not cool in the land of Celestial Seasonings. What to do? My guess is that this is either a prank or comes from one of the nearby bastions of wingnuttry such as Nederland or Ward. Why this didn’t happen at Colorado College (in Colorado Springs-home of focus on the family and the pro rodeo hall of fame) is more mysterious to me. Perhaps they don’t have such a Biology department. Did anyone bother to identify the mountain bike tread patterns of the perps as they made their escape down the Boulder Creek path?

Seriously, I’m sure most are opposed to even the threats of violence, let alone carrying them out.

if it’s still there (dubious proposition at this point in time), I would recommend you read Bill Dembski’s post a couple years back about “Darwin in a Vise” where he details his “Vise” strategy, and the comments that followed, especially those of Sal Cordova.

If that post, and the frequently violenty reactionary comments posted on UD regularly (and several other creationists blogs) are in any way indicative of creationists in general, there DOES seem to be a pattern of violence associated with IDCreationists, and they don’t seem to hesitate much to show it if prompted.

While a gross generalization, I don’t think the evidence indicates it an unwarranted one.

I would put the blame at the door of the people making inflammatory remarks on the Creationist/ID side

absolutely. ever been to a Ken Ham presentation to the stupid masses? not much discernible science, but lots and lots of blathering away about this being a WAR between christians and everyone else, with scary cartoons of missiles raining down upon poor beleaguered christianity. It’s a very disturbing call to action, and it doesn’t surprise me when christians get a bit creative about deciding what sort of action is appropriate.

“finally” crossed the threshold into more direct action? what about the attack on talkorigins.org website? oh well, at least USA could never become like Turkey.

While a gross generalization, I don’t think the evidence indicates it an unwarranted one.

A gross generalization would not be warranted.

As I recall, and as the evidence indicates, the gross generalization was what I objected to.

As to another, Ierymenko can rationalize his violent impulses against Muslims as much as he wants, he makes no case, he just writes a bunch of emotional blather to hide the fact that he has no case. So that he can remain silent about (or even to applaud, perhaps) the violations of Palestinian rights, self-determination, and opportunities. I know hypocrisy when I see it.

No one here, that I know of, questions the repressed violence, the ressentiment, that causes your average IDist and creationist to long for heaven for themselves, hell for their opponents (you see it on UD all the time). Bad faith, however, does not amount to an excuse to say “the creationists…have past [sic] the threshold…to attacking science in a more direct fashion,” where the “example” is the threat to cause violence.

Ought we to adopt the strategy of IDists of stereotyping their opponents? Reuland, Dragonscholar, Ierymenko, and STJ have not begun to make a case for painting our opponents with the broad brush of actually “attacking science in a more direct fashion,” they have only appealed to factors which may aid and abet those who do. I was not addressing the latter (so quit stereotyping yet again), I was addressing the narrow issue of including creationists in general as “attacking science in a more direct fashion.”

The fact that none have shown that to be a fair or honest characterization (and the goalposts were instead moved) only supports my contention that it is not.

Glen D http://geocities.com/interelectromagnetic

Re “any suggestions for suicide id(ers) summer camp activities?”

Stop using modern (evolution derived ones, at least) medicine?

Henry

Robert Heinlein wrote a story in the late 1930’s, serialized in 1940, “If This Goes On-“ (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/If_This_Goes_On) wherein a backwoods preacher is elected president of the US in 2012, then dictator of a theocratic USA. Not bad for an almost 70-year-old prediction…

Glen Davidson Wrote:

Ought we to adopt the strategy of IDists of stereotyping their opponents? Reuland, Dragonscholar, Ierymenko, and STJ have not begun to make a case for painting our opponents with the broad brush of actually “attacking science in a more direct fashion,” they have only appealed to factors which may aid and abet those who do. I was not addressing the latter (so quit stereotyping yet again), I was addressing the narrow issue of including creationists in general as “attacking science in a more direct fashion.”

If it makes you feel better then, just take “the creationists” to mean “this specific group of creationists”. I don’t mean to paint with a broad brush or imply that creationists in general are doing this sort of thing, which is pretty obvious I think. However, I do think that this incident, assuming that it ends up being genuine, says something about the creationist movement as a whole. Things have begun to reach a breaking point with them – that particular generalization I feel is well warranted.

The only thing surprising about this episode is just how predictable it was. When a movement spends most of its time ginning up huge amounts of resentment and hostility, and in the process cries that the very future of civilization is at stake, it’s bound to happen that some of its followers will feel justified in using any means necessary. This is something we’ve already seen aplenty; it’s not like the creationists were a shining beacon of ethical behavior before all this you know.

As I recall, and as the evidence indicates, the gross generalization was what I objected to.

but…

you don’t have that evidence, Glen.

what evidence DO we have?

well, if we consider the creationist blogs and commenters frequenting those blogs, then the evidence is quite skewed towards those representatives in fact commonly posting violent thoughts about “evolutionists”. yes, even among the putative “leaders” of the creation/ID movements.

and you have what evidence to counter that, exactly?

the fact they haven’t come to your house yet to threaten you?

if you wish to counter what they themselves have generated that does allow one to generalize about apparent violent tendencies, you would be hard pressed to do that by looking at the public face they tend to present.

do you have other evidence you wish to share?

No one here, that I know of, questions the repressed violence, the ressentiment, that causes your average IDist and creationist to long for heaven for themselves, hell for their opponents (you see it on UD all the time).

…and hateful thoughts don’t ever lead to hateful actions, right?

well, if we consider the creationist blogs and commenters frequenting those blogs, then the evidence is quite skewed towards those representatives in fact commonly posting violent thoughts about “evolutionists”. yes, even among the putative “leaders” of the creation/ID movements.

and you have what evidence to counter that, exactly?

Let’s start with the ASA whose members and email discussion list seems to counter exactly that.

Perhaps you have fallen victim to self selection, since you tend to frequent blogs where commenters tend to be more ‘violent’ in their thoughts?

PvM Wrote:

the ASA

Googling “ASA”:

Google, 1st page, Wrote:

Amateur Softball Association of America American Society of Anesthesiologists - Welcome! Advertising Standards Authority Amateur Swimming Association American Statistical Association - the nation’s leading … The Acoustical Society of America American Sociological Association | Home The American Sociological Association, founded in 1905, is a non-profit membership Automotive Service Association ( ASA ) Asa Dotzler - Firefox and more Autism Society of America:

Um, let’s see, I pick … the anesthesiologists. When they say that they are going to put you to sleep, they mean it. :-P

What is ASA?

Perhaps you have fallen victim to self selection, since you tend to frequent blogs where commenters tend to be more ‘violent’ in their thoughts?

like UD and AIG?

perhaps so…

where do the majority of creationists consider their interests best represented, Pim?

…or perhaps I should just scan the talkorigins feedback section for the last couple of years and pull out the numerous responses from creationists telling the volunteers for the site that they will all die in hellfire?

or maybe here on PT?

I’d wager I could find quite a few entries in the feedback area on TO of that nature, let alone the ones that were likely rejected as simply being TOO insane.

i rather think you tend to lean towards the college educated creationist being typical of the group as a whole, and YOU are colored by your experiences with the likes of the students that Allen MacNeil worked with.

Perhaps you need to spend some time looking at the grass-roots sites the average fundie prefers to post at most of the time?

try the Christian Exodus site, for example.

spend some time there and tell me there isn’t a preponderance of violent expression.

no… Steve IS onto the right track here. While certainly not all fundie xians are going to become terrorists, it HAS been the breeding ground for both the local and nonlocal variety.

the moment you start thinking that maybe the fundies aren’t so bad, along comes a group like the Westboro Baptists, with Fred Phelps.

tell me those people aren’t terrorists.

have finally past the threshold

The word you want is “passed”.

Adam Ierymenko Wrote:

It’s exactly the same in the middle east. All Muslims aren’t violent at all, let alone suicide bombers or terrorists, but most just look the other way and continue to support the ideology that inspires such behavior.

Glen Davidson Wrote:

Ierymenko can rationalize his violent impulses against Muslims as much as he wants, he makes no case, he just writes a bunch of emotional blather to hide the fact that he has no case. So that he can remain silent about (or even to applaud, perhaps) the violations of Palestinian rights, self-determination, and opportunities. I know hypocrisy when I see it.

Indeed. And as bad as the Palestinian situation is, it pales in comparison to the violence literally rained down on the Middle East. Not only do Americans look the other away from the immense violence that their tax dollars have paid for over many decades, they remain blissfully unaware of the ideology that inspires it. Imagine: United Fruit and Banana Republic are now both brand names – the ultimate cooptation of a concept. And these days, not only do U.S. tax dollars pay for the U.S. military and intelligence operatives to invade countries and overthrow governments in the interests of private corporations, but U.S. tax dollars pay for private corporate military and intelligence operatives to invade countries and overthrow governments in the interests of private corporations.

What is ASA?

Another Stupid Acronym? Or perhaps the American Sniper Association.

Interesting Historical Note: The change to the American Sociological Association was one of the quickest developments in the history of formal organizations. It had previously been the American Sociological Society, or A.… Well, you can work it out for yourselves.

Okay, Harold. Don’t want to belabor anything, but I took time to read your link, and it doesn’t mention creationism at all, nor proposes anything like your statement “.…..each (creationist) is probably massively more likely to be violent than a random member of the population.”

You were asked for evidence, preferably from a peer-review science journal, to support your claim. You offered a link to something less than that, but I was willing to take a look at it. But your link don’t even match your claim, doesn’t even say boo about creationists or creationism itself, and offers no statistically-based anything about creationists.

You’ve made a generalization about creationists, that you have provided no evidence for, when asked sincerely.

You really need someone to spell it out for you, FL?

Here goes, then: religious extremists (including, of course, Christian Creationists), have all the traits of the Authoritarian Personality discussed at that link, and this in turn is prima facie evidence of a greater inclination towards violence, especially if some kind of authority endorses - in the most extreme cases, even by implication - the use of violent means for “the greater good”.

This story and The Panda’s Thumb have made Salon magazine. Check out: http://www.salon.com/tech/htww/2007[…]e=newsletter (You’ll have to watch a commercial to see it.)

Sample: Meanwhile, in Boulder, Colo., a home-grown jihadi is terrorizing the University of Colorado at Boulder’s ecology and evolutionary biology department. The Denver Post reported on Tuesday that “police are investigating a series of threatening messages and documents e-mailed to and slipped under the door of evolutionary biology labs on the Boulder campus.” At the Panda’s Thumb, a blog devoted to critiquing the “claims of anti evolutionism,” excerpts of e-mails sent by the perpetrator to CU-Boulder faculty members display an unrestrained eagerness for escalating the ever popular with Christian fundamentalists creationism-evolution debate into an out-and-out holy war.

One recent e-mail, which may have attracted the attention of the police, reportedly reads as follows:

“Pastor Jerry Gibson spoke at Doug White’s New Day Covenant Church in Boulder.

He said that every true Christian should be ready and willing to take up arms to kill the enemies of Christian society.

But I believe it is far more effective to take up a pen to kill the enemies of Truth.

President GW Bush II [sic] is waging a global war on terror. But it seems he has overlooked the terrorists operating in our own backyard!

He likes to say “God Bless America,” and our Pledge of Allegiance says “One Nation Under God.” And of course our Federal Reserve issued money says “In God We Trust.”

But the EBIO [now EEB] Department at CU Boulder denies a Creator God and claims that life evolved from inanimate matter without Divine Direction, Oversight, or Providence.

Many scientists today have denounced Darwinian theories as bogus science. Yet the EBIO department upholds it as the Gospel truth and hides itself in a false cloak of intellectual arrogance. www.scienceagainstevolution.org

Academic freedom does not include the right to lie, obfuscate, and prevaricate. Yet this is exactly what these arrogant atheist professors do in the name of “higher education”!

EBIO professors are terrorists against America and against the true spirit of humanity, which consists of created beings beholden to their Creator!

EBIO Professors are also intellectual and spiritual child abusers of their young and impressionable students.

In addition, the New Testament states clearly that Adam and Eve were our original parents and that Noah’s Flood was an historical reality. So the EBIO department not only blasphemes God, who is invisible, but it blasphemes His Only Begotten Son and our Messiah, Jesus Christ, which is more unforgivable given the clear manifestations of His Godliness and Holiness and the confirmation of all He claimed to be through His historic Resurrection from the dead!

For all these reason all God-fearing and Truth-loving persons must say,

“They must go!”

This is sandwiched between two pieces on the Taliban and the Red Mosque in Pakistan.

For an example of twisted religious logic, just look at the Taliban. By their wingnut interpretation of islam they prohibited music, and most art. They destroyed a lot of treasures in the museums of Afghanistan and blew up the large Buddha statues. They were, in fact, in the process of destroying Afghani culture and society. It would have ended like Cambodia as they murdered large segments of the population for one flimsy reason or another.

What’s with the past tense? The Taliban are on the way back, due in large part to help from our ally, Pakistan – the country that really does have WMDs and ties to 9/11.

FL blithered thusly:

You’ve made a generalization about creationists, that you have provided no evidence for, when asked sincerely.

There’s plenty of easily-available evidence to prove that creationists, and many of their political allies and fellow-travellers, exhibit nearly all of the basic traits that lead to anti-democratic, extralegal violence against noncombattants: disregard for the US Constitution and the principles it embodies; disregard for the baic rights of others (rights which they claim for themselves); disregard for majority rule, or any other form of general legal, political or scientific concensus; attacks on reason in support of pseudoscience and lies; overt threats of violence against people who oppose them in court; and routinely blaming “evolution,” “Darwinism” or “science” for nearly every evil known to Man – much as Hitler blamed the Jews.

As predictors of violence, the latter point – scapegoating – is a biggie. Once you start blaming general classes of people for horrible crimes they did not commit, you pretty much set the stage for the easy justification of any sort of atrocity, with no restraint or process of justice to slow the pogrom down.

Not all creationists “knowingly” support or commit terrorism. But all of them support an irrational and bigoted mindset that can be – and routinely is – used to encourage and justify many forms of anti-democratic violence. (Crowther’s lame attempt to pretend creationists had nothing to do with the latest incident merely proves his unwillingness to take an honest stand against it.) You know all this is true, FL, which is why you’re avoiding responding to my earlier post.

** religious ideology born of unceasing resentment **

For 2,000 years one hallmark of xianity has been its hatred of natural science and sceptical philosophy. The Stoics and Epicureans of Athens laughed at Paul of Tarsus when he spoke to them. Paul’s anti-intellectual (and antisemetic) rejoinder is holy writ:

20-Where is the wise man? Where is the scholar? Where is the philosopher of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? 21-For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe. 22-Jews demand miraculous signs and Greeks look for wisdom, 23-but we preach Christ crucified: a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles . … 1Cor1 20-23 NIV

27-But God chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise; God chose the weak things of the world to shame the strong. 28-He chose the lowly things of this world and the despised things—and the things that are not—to nullify the things that are . … 1Cor1:26-28 NIV

In short, Paul and his fellow revenge seekers needed a god sharing their nihilistic values.

Xianity still appeals to those who believe themselves mistreated. To those in whom resentment surges. To those who must blame others. To those who must punish their guilty selves. Xianity is practical nihilism. Directed inward, hatred of self. Directed outward, hatred of others and the world.

This is not some peripheral ideological stance – it is the dark heart and sick soul of a life-negating world view, tarted up as a religion of “love”.

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