Comment #12911

Posted by Grand Moff Texan on January 7, 2005 11:22 AM (e) (s)

Meanwhile, back in the Halls of Power: 

Mark Souder-R-Ind. 
“Over 75 percent of the American people profess to be Christian, and an even higher percentage believe that they were created by God — not some randomly evolving blob of amoeba,” Souder stated. “So when a tragedy hits Asia, we don’t say ‘Tough luck. It’s social Darwinism. The fittest will survive.’”

At presstime, it was unclear what amoeba theory Souder was referring to.  However, what other Christians had to say about the tsunami was less ambiguous. 

But wait, it gets worse: 

According to Souder, almost all social change in the history of the United States has been driven by people whose deep commitment to moral views is based upon their personal religious beliefs. “To take religion out of the public arena would leave us with the mean-spirited, survival-of-the-fittest, social Darwinism of evolution,” he said.

Funny thing:  anyone who’s read Darwin knows he repudiates “Social Darwinism.”  Since I’ve always wondered why the creationism-prone right would embrace something they call social Darwinism while rejecting evolution generally, I have to conclude here that we’re listening to good, old-fashioned projection.

Comment #12913

Posted by John Beck on January 7, 2005 11:36 AM (e) (s)

I am standing in front of my computer applauding the Dover Area School District’s high school science teachers.  What a splendid affirmation of their ability to think.  I also expect that it was quite brave of them to do this in light of the community’s apparent bias.

Comment #12916

Posted by Aaron Clausen on January 7, 2005 12:25 PM (e) (s)

Yeah, but what do they know?  They’re noly science teachers.  We have genuine local politicians and the Discovery Institute, true advocates of proper science.  They should fire all them mean atheistic satan-inspired science teachers and put a good evangelical pastor in each classroom, teaching children that evolution is the work of the devil.

Comment #12927

Posted by Steve Reuland on January 7, 2005 01:50 PM (e) (s)

I’m waiting for the Discovery Institute and their fans to accuse the Dover area teachers of censorship.  Censorship against the teachers in Dover.

Comment #12946

Posted by Matt Young on January 7, 2005 05:36 PM (e) (s)

… almost all social change in the history of the United States has been driven by people whose deep commitment to moral views is based upon their personal religious beliefs.

Mr. Souder is apparently unaware that religious leaders in the antebellum South used the Bible to support slavery and validate their theory that Black people were destined (dare I say “designed”?) to be servants.  Indeed, misusing the Bible to support slavery against northern Abolitionists arguably spawned Christian fundamentalism in the South.  Both the Baptist and Methodist Churches split into northern and southern factions over the issue of slavery.

The Bible, incidentally, plainly supports enslaving people other than your own.  Many of the Abolitionists were religious, but they fortunately did not read the Bible literally.  Nevertheless, no religion, as far as I know, has condemned slavery until comparatively recently, and the opposition to slavery may well have originated in the secular values of the Enlightenment before it was adopted by religious Abolitionists.

At least in the West, religion has always been a mixed bag, a force for good or evil, in very roughly equal quantities.  It is therefore no compliment to say that all social change has been driven by religious values.

Comment #12949

Posted by EmmaPeel on January 7, 2005 06:01 PM (e) (s)

According to the AP, the school district has decided to compromise with the teachers. School administrators will come into the classrooms & read the disclaimer instead of the science teachers:

The Dover Area School District agreed to temporarily exempt science teachers from having to read the statement, after seven of them signed a letter objecting to the policy on grounds that it would violate Pennsylvania’s professional standards and practices code for teachers.

Instead, administrators will read the statement Thursday, when ninth-graders at Dover High School are expected to learn about evolution in their biology classes.

Students can also be excused from hearing the statement being read if their parents object, according to a letter to parents that the district posted on its Web site. It was unclear whether the letter was also mailed to individual families.

…

Tom Scott, an attorney retained by the Pennsylvania State Education Association, said the teachers’ union was “satisfied” with the decision. He said the teachers had objected to reading the statement because intelligent design “is not science.”

“Unfortunately, the school board and the superintendent can put anything they want to in front of the students, but we are not going to be their messenger,” Scott said.

The school district’s lawyers grudgingly went along with the decision:

Richard Thompson, president and chief counsel of the Thomas More Law Center in Ann Arbor, Mich., which is defending the school district, said that, although the district disagreed with the teachers’ argument, it would exempt them from reading the statement during the course of the litigation.

“The Dover faculty have no right to opt out of a legal directive,” Thompson said. “Having said that, because there is pending litigation … we are going to accommodate their request.”

Comment #12953

Posted by Creationist Timmy on January 7, 2005 06:34 PM (e) (s)

Look, if I’m a student in the Dover area High School, and I want to know about some real science, I won’t waste my time with some dumb high school science teachers, or all those Ph.D biologists in Pennsylvania, or every scientific organisation in the country, or those 72 Nobel Laureates who “claim” that creationism isn’t science.

I’ll stick with high-school educated evangelicals like Bill Buckingham, drug problem or no drug problem. And the engineer guy on here.

Comment #12954

Posted by Great White Wonder on January 7, 2005 06:38 PM (e) (s)

Thanks for the update Emma.

School administrators will come into the classrooms & read the disclaimer instead of the science teachers

I wonder if the teachers have agreed to not explain to the students why they refused to read the disclaimer.

In any event, if the extremity of the Dover School Board’s position wasn’t obvious before, it’s obvious now.

Why not follow the reading of the disclaimer with an optional prayer?  Might as well just go for the touchdown since their butts are cooked either way.

“The Dover faculty have no right to opt out of a legal directive,” Thompson said. “Having said that, because there is pending litigation … we are going to accommodate their request.”

How could they not?  What is the alternative — moving their lips and tongues for them, or firing them and hiring some fundamentalist Christian teachers to replace them within a week?

Comment #12967

Posted by DaveScot on January 7, 2005 08:26 PM (e) (s)

GWW - The alternative to offending the delicate sensibilities of the science staff by making them speak the vile words is to do what Georgia did and get others to slap a sticker containing the short message onto the the biology text where the students won’t miss it.

Comment #12972

Posted by Great White Wonder on January 7, 2005 08:46 PM (e) (s)

Dave Springer, always happy to switch gears as long as it doesn’t involve admitting that he’s a dishonest rube, writes

The alternative to offending the delicate sensibilities of the science staff by making them speak the vile words is to do what Georgia did and get others to slap a sticker containing the short message onto the the biology text where the students won’t miss it.

Oh really?  Do you know something about the Selman v. Cobb County School District case that the rest of us do not?

Of course you don’t.

Comment #13201

Posted by Curt Altschul on January 10, 2005 10:04 AM (e) (s)

Do Sunday school teachers teach evolution?  If not, then why would science teachers teach creationism?

Evolution is evidence looking for an explanation.  Creationism is an explanation looking for evidence.

There was a time, when the Church determined that in each sperm cell there was a fully formed little man or little woman.  That was until science explained differently.  Just because the Church/creationists say so does not make it so.

Therefore, evolution is science which is why it is taught in science classes and creationism, which is a belief, is taught in Sunday school. When creationism becomes science, then put it in the text books.  Until then, keep creationism in the Sunday school classrooms where they don’t teach evolution.

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Dover science teachers: "INTELLIGENT DESIGN IS NOT SCIENCE. INTELLIGENT DESIGN IS NOT BIOLOGY. INTELLIGENT DESIGN IS NOT AN ACCEPTED SCIENTIFIC THEORY."

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Dover science teachers: "INTELLIGENT DESIGN IS NOT SCIENCE. INTELLIGENT DESIGN IS NOT BIOLOGY. INTELLIGENT DESIGN IS NOT AN ACCEPTED SCIENTIFIC THEORY."