The Bathroom Wall
With any tavern, one can expect that certain things that get said are out-of-place. But there is one place where almost any saying or scribble can find a home: the bathroom wall. This is where random thoughts and oddments that don’t follow the other entries at the Panda’s Thumb wind up. As with most bathroom walls, expect to sort through a lot of oyster guts before you locate any pearls of wisdom.
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There is a God!
And he is a plumber. The Bathroom has been flushed.
Thank you Reed.
Great!
Course, that still leaves what happens when the new plumbing acquires a big drip…
Wait, what am I saying?
Spammer alert!
To make one point about the previous thread. John Kwok wrote:
“Sorry Jim, but your invocation of the Ground Zero Mosque controversy is not helpful here. Incidentally there are many Muslims and Muslim Americans who oppose its construction, simply because they recognize that building it near Ground Zero is needlessly offensive to the families of the victims and the survivors of the 9/11 attack. Some of the most prominent critics - who are Muslim Americans - include Wall Street businessman Mansoor Ijaz (who tried to assist the Clinton administration in extraditing Osama bin Laden from the Sudan) and former United States Navy officer Dr. M. Zuhdi Jasser.
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If you are going to call Miss USA, a Muslim American, Rima Fakih, a bigot, then be my guest. Same is true for those two prominent Muslim Americans I had mentioned. Or other Muslim Americans who, like them, have spoken out against building the “Cordoba House” Islamic Center (Of course I am also against it, but am definitely not a bigot.).”
Unless YOU are a practicing Muslim your opposition to this cultural center is pure bigotry, so your saying that you’re “definitely not a bigot” is false. Your ruse of hiding behind the Muslim-Americans’ backs is the same as of the racists who think that using the n-word is OK because so many African-Americans use it. If you are a Muslim, well then, I find your views on the issue just silly, not bigoted.
Kris,
You can’t possibly know what I know.
We already tried that on Kris. You can only call someone an @$$hole, a bastard and crazy so many times before it gets tiresome. What’s the point of bashing me?
Kris has called me a liar for stating the obvious facts about him. We can all see what he has done, so why would he deny the stunts he has pulled? He is the one who invaded our space to attack the cause of the blog, yet he expects us to be tolerant and respectful of him no matter what he says? There is no law or principle I know that demands any such thing.
I haven’t lied about anything, you jackass! The simple fact is that you have invaded Panda’s Thumb and have been a disruptive force from the beginning and have played us like suckers. I’m not fooled by you and no one else is. Even if you were insulted by one or two people in the beginning, you could have ignored it and just responded to the ones who were being positive to you, like flowersfriend has been, but instead you started throwing shit at everyone who dared to reject your tactics. We insulted you because that seemed to be what you liked, but I get tired of that after a while. You don’t, appearantly.
If you seriously think you have made ANY positive contributions to this community here, you are even more delusional than most Creationists!
None whatsoever, but since any comments to a troll are going to produce nothing but bashing in response, that leads to what the point of the comments was.
John often fails to read for comprehension. A poor highschool education , no doubt.
Oh Bob, I can hear the howls now: “Set phasers to SLAUGHTER!”
Your “profile” is a person who needs attention and does not even try to get it by behaving in any consistent or coherent fashion. You are a manipulative jerk who takes ANY response from others and uses it as an excuse to attack. You bash us for not being tolerant enough of Creationists, while stating Creationist fallacies yourself. Then you turn around and deny being religious and question why certain others who are Creationist take their religion so seriously. Such strange behavior is pathological in the extreme.
Gee, this website seems VERY important to you, considering how much time you spend here.
You are either crazy or a fraud, Kris.
The fun thing about the BW is that the trolls either have to cave in and respond on the BW – which they don’t want to do – or pass up responding – which they REALLY don’t want to do.
Your track record is too well known here for us to consider that you are sincere about anything. You are even WORSE than the average Creationist troll because you keep going back and forth between acting non-religious and acting like a Creationist. You cannot be both, so you must be bullshitting us. Nobody here can take that seriously.
If you don’t like being called a liar, stop being one. At least I have ALWAYS told the truth about YOU.
DH, a very minor issue here: the first part you cited above was addressed to me, and personally I find it amusing to watch such comments fall into a hole of resounding silence.
However, as far as the rest goes, carry on.
Oh, did you want to answer him here first? Be my guest. But I figured I’d just make a note of ANY inappropriate thing Kris says elsewhere and post it here, answer it here, and wait for Kris to take the hint and stop attacking us everywhere else and just slam people here.
Why would I want to do that? But if my own rejoinder is indifference, I can at least politely ask that the effect not be spoiled.
Kris threatens: “I would thoroughly enjoy kicking your ass and the asses of anyone else who has called me a liar,…”
Lotsa bluster; everybody’s collective asses are exposed right here.
AARGH! I am so outa here!
Whew! Glad I never called Kris a liar. I only called him a coward and a bully.
So it’s like “one of these days Alice, POW! To the mooning”?
Another collection of Kris’ delusional rants.
Panda’s Thumb is a blog made for defending evolution and promoting proper science education, and since Kris was the one who invaded the blog to spew both Creationist arguments that we were expected to “tolerate” (like we are supposed to tolerate falsehoods?) and then claim to be non-religious at other times, why shouldn’t we regard him as unwelcome, inconsistent and disruptive? Why shouldn’t we treat him like he is the enemy, when that’s all he has ever acted like since he arrived here?
An example of hypocrisy would be us invading and attacking ID promoters on Uncommon Descent. I’ve never done that, and never will. Maybe Kris can go over there and drive the ID people crazy for a while, to prove to us once and for all that he is an equal-opportunity critic, and not a bigoted Creationist concern troll.
http://www.uncommondescent.com/
Kris the creationist wrote:
“If, however, “descent with modification” is defined as showing that speciation (evolution) occurs and/or occurred, then that’s a different ballgame, and requires greater evidence. While a lot of evidence points to a persuasive probability that descent with modification, including divergence/speciation, occurred throughout(?) the history of life, there’s a lot more work to do to before it can reasonably be said that it has been established close to 100%, and I’m not sure it can be reasonably said that it can be established ‘empirically’. Many inferences have been and have to be made, and inferences are a matter of opinion.”
This is of course incorrect. I already posted a link to a web page entitled:
29+ Evidences for Macroevolution
If Kris wants to discuss the point, he can do so here. Maybe someone will want to discuss it with him. Unless of course he is just plain chicken shit.
Here’s the link again:
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/
You might just leave a short bland note on the original thread to invite him to come to the BW for discussion. He’ll ignore it, of course, but that works too.
Yawn.
(Bored.)
All the spamming at The Immune System Cross-examination Still Burns, and other forums, is very unChristlike, don’t you think?
Makes you wonder if these anti-science creation-supporters are Christians? (Never known a real creationist who wasn’t.)
It’s funny how trolls stubbornly resist being prodded to direct their comments to the BW. They know that once they do, they don’t have any real nuisance value any more: “What’s the point of trolling, then?”
Kris huffs and puffs and squeaks “What are you afraid of?” hiding behind his mommy’s apron. Afraid to mix it up on the big kid’s playground, he’ll sit in the sandbox and cry.
Poor widdle Kwis! Mean old scientists call you out on your stupid shit? Maybe if we ignore the little wanker he’ll go back into the closet and play with himself.
Geeze, I’m beginning to miss FL! I tell you, the neighborhood is going to hell.
I knew the asshole was chicken shit. All he haas to do is come here and provide a better explanation for the 29 different independent data sets that are all consistent with common descent. Until he does, I guess he will just be someone who believes in evolution but not in common descent. Yea right.
Everyone should remember, he had his chance to discuss science, he chose to quote mine and insult instead. He can cry all he wants to now, but everyone is wise to his crap.
So, you want a rational faith where Invisible-Pink-Unicorns don’t exist, but you insist on a faith where talking snakes really do literally rationally exist?
Well, Harry Potter has talking snakes but doesn’t have invisible-pink-unicorns. Does that qualify it as a “rational” story? Maybe that’s why some Christians are afraid of Harry Potter. Maybe it just cuts too close to their own True Faith™. OTOH, it does have invisible-black-horse-like creatures, so maybe that disqualifies it as being a “rational” faith.
How about that, FL? Can you prove that the invisible-black-horse-like creatures in Harry Potter don’t exist? Can you prove that the talking snakes do exist?
Perhaps FL counts as a talking snake and that he goes all the way back to the one in the Garden of Eden. Isn’t that character still supposed to be around somewhere?
So either the metaphor was good back then as it is now, or it is not a metaphor.
Yes!
And The Ultimate Question is …?
(Suggestion #1: Has the current troll ever encountered anything like Deep Thought?)
Your religion does not have the monopoly on marriage and I’m not even sure we do as a species. I’m still waiting for your god’s last-minute invitation because of his objections to secular marriage.
Me too Roger. I hope it never comes, but at some point He’ll have to apologize to Sodom and Gomorrah if America keeps on getting a free pass.
With the fall of California and Washington State, America is now closer to the unthinkable – legalizing gay marriage – than it has ever been in its history. And Obama has already promised to do HIS sorry part to legalize it, if he’s re-elected.
If America legalizes gay marriage, America will be a candidate for God’s judgment. We’ve never known what it is like to lose big, the way other nations have lost big in the past. If divine judgment falls on this nation, it’s gonna be a LOT LOT worse than 9-11 or Katrina.
If it happens, it will change all of our current situations radically, regardless of our Christian or non-Christian beliefs. No matter what label you currently wear, it’s something to reflect and think upon.
FL
Okay, let’s go get Ms. Mary back on the gig:
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Item Number 2 is the deal-breaker, so let’s go straight to it. Next post.
FL
In this case I actually AM making a “theological” argument -
Sodom and Gomorrah are not described as being destroyed for legal monogamous marriages between competent, consenting, same gender adults. The actual sinful action described is attempted gang rape.
I perceive the Biblical story of Sodom and Gomorrah to be a fascinating and powerful folk tale, probably a massively embellished interpretation of an actual event, worthy of study on many levels.
However, even if it is “interpreted literally” it has nothing whatsoever to do with gay marriage between consenting adults.
Good.
However, gay marriage is legal in many entire countries, most Canadian provinces, and several states, and yet no apparent punishment from any god is associated with this.
The World Trade Center attack was the work of malignant human beings.
Hurricane Katrina raises the interesting issue that areas of the US where the highest percentage of the population are science denying creationists - the deep south and great plains - routinely suffer the most natural disasters.
I do NOT think that any god is punishing people in these areas, nor do I wish such people harm, nor think that they “deserve” disasters. However, this pattern of events does cast doubt on the idea that a god punishes those who deviate from post-modern creationism/fundamentalism.
Unfortunately, it is true that there is valid reason for concern about the future of the United States. Our unsustainable energy and agricultural systems, shift toward authoritarianism, plutocratic economy with its trend toward third world conditions for many citizens, fragile health care system, inadequate public education system, infatuation with environmental destruction, etc, are all more worrisome than supernatural threats, however.
Civil War, anyone? Treatment of native Americans? And you dare suggest that legalization of gay marriage is going to cause brother to kill brother, the distribution of pox blankets, and wholesale slaughter?
Others are right, FL: Your god is an asshole of the highest caliber, and you are a drip of ass-water.
Good! At least then you’ll have some support for your asinine, childish, violent, misogynistic, death-worshipping beliefs. Thus far, you’ve got nothing but delusional assertions.
(Brief commercial break while working on Mary reply)
Indeed, that’s a good example. America kept on doing slavery and doing slavery and mistreating Negroes for money, year after year, (and even the Northerners were winking and nudging because money was involved and they didn’t care about blacks either).
And by the time people finally got what John Brown and the Grimke Sisters was tryin’ to tell ‘em (that the slavery was BIBLICALLY wrong and God was getting angry about it), the nation had indeed found itself falling inexorably into Slaughterhouse Mode, family divided against family, brother killing his own brother, massacres and vengeance killings on all sides.
Southern economy was totally destroyed (until Christian Bible-believing creationist scientist Dr GW Carver saved it with merciful, God-given science discoveries).
But God’s judgment had indeed fallen. This happened with the Civil War. Horrific, bloody, it depleted America’s supply of men, caused many children to grow up without fathers.
Slavery tipped the nation past the tipping point into divine judgment. The national damage and scarring from the Civil War lasted long past the war’s end, poisoning interstate relations, family relations, and ESPECIALLY poisoning race relations all over the nation and especially the South (Segregation, KKK, Jim Crow, etc.) What was mere prejudice in the North became sheer Hatred in the South (and I’ve seen what it looks like.)
America played with sin for too **** long, America clearly ignored Biblical warnings too long and too hard, thinking that God was gonna give ‘em a free pass just like always.
Then the judgment of God fell on the nation. The rest is, as they say, history.
And now America is about to do it again, legalizing gay marriage and spitting directly in God’s face, risking divine destruction (natural or otherwise) in the Nuclear Age.
FL
Yup. Knew you were delusional. Which Bible have you been reading?
I’m ignoring your trollery now, even if you push buttons. Bye, FL. Another chew-toy will show up someday.
How quickly they forget. OK, I’ll do it again: Ptui! Right in God’s face!
And nothing bad has happened to me. Nothing at all. Just the opposite, in fact.
Flawd’s sermon is nothing but a smokescreen for his repugnant sexual prejudices. Like all the religious thugs, he threatens us (on behalf of the gods, of course!) if we do not agree to accept his loony version of reality. If dire warnings don’t work, the thugs ratchet up the intimidation.
Good idea. Let the asshole rot in the hell of his own making. Everyone can already see that he has no intention of ever admitting that reality itself is against him. Four weeks is long enough to wait for him to answer questions. Obviously he cannot.
Good idea, count me in - or out, or whichever.
Is that a marketing pitch in case Fred Phelps drops by? Are you looking for work as his sermon writer?
Just curious, but why? Why would God have to live up to your (or anyone else’s) expectations?
See…that there’s another problem with your premise, Floyd. You seem to think that because some writer wrote something about how God interacted with a particular group, God is obligated to set up the same relationship with everyone else. Nope. Sorry. You could be angelic and divine and God could smite you just because he felt like it. He’s God, Floyd - it’s the whole point of having the gig in the first place. Check out the story of Job sometime if don’t believe me.
So no, once again your just being asinine. Nothing about what’s in the bible indicates anything about how God will or won’t or must treat American.
And yet, nothing in your bible indicates anything about God’s feelings one way or the other on the subject of American legalizing gay marriage. Why do you even bother reading the bible Floyd, when your entire premise is just based on your on opinions and imagination anyway?
Gotta a verse or two in your bible that indicates such? I didn’t think so…
You just keep on telling us what you think God has to do there Floyd. I’m sure God is giggling himself silly over your opinions on that.
Bye, Co. Too bad you chose to leave; we could have fruitfully discussed the biblical points raised by the abolitonist Grimke Sisters.
Nevertheless, feel free to stop by, whenever you can get yourself together again.
FL
…Even though Leviticus not only prohibits homosexual behavior and calls it an abomination, but ALSO discusses the land vomiting out its inhabitants over it?
…And even though 1 Corinthians says that homosexual behavior can, (like all other sins), block a person from seeing the kingdom of heaven at all?
It’s not possible to figure out from the Bible whether or not God approves of legalized gay marriage????
FL
Bye Fl. Too bad you chose not to discuss science. Too bad you chose to ignore reality instead.
Really? As if talking snakes weren’t bad enough, now we have vomiting land?
FL, you’re the best advertisement for Atheism ever.
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