The Bathroom Wall
With any tavern, one can expect that certain things that get said are out-of-place. But there is one place where almost any saying or scribble can find a home: the bathroom wall. This is where random thoughts and oddments that don’t follow the other entries at the Panda’s Thumb wind up. As with most bathroom walls, expect to sort through a lot of oyster guts before you locate any pearls of wisdom.
Previous Wall
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There is a God!
And he is a plumber. The Bathroom has been flushed.
Thank you Reed.
Great!
Course, that still leaves what happens when the new plumbing acquires a big drip…
Wait, what am I saying?
Spammer alert!
To make one point about the previous thread. John Kwok wrote:
“Sorry Jim, but your invocation of the Ground Zero Mosque controversy is not helpful here. Incidentally there are many Muslims and Muslim Americans who oppose its construction, simply because they recognize that building it near Ground Zero is needlessly offensive to the families of the victims and the survivors of the 9/11 attack. Some of the most prominent critics - who are Muslim Americans - include Wall Street businessman Mansoor Ijaz (who tried to assist the Clinton administration in extraditing Osama bin Laden from the Sudan) and former United States Navy officer Dr. M. Zuhdi Jasser.
[…]
If you are going to call Miss USA, a Muslim American, Rima Fakih, a bigot, then be my guest. Same is true for those two prominent Muslim Americans I had mentioned. Or other Muslim Americans who, like them, have spoken out against building the “Cordoba House” Islamic Center (Of course I am also against it, but am definitely not a bigot.).”
Unless YOU are a practicing Muslim your opposition to this cultural center is pure bigotry, so your saying that you’re “definitely not a bigot” is false. Your ruse of hiding behind the Muslim-Americans’ backs is the same as of the racists who think that using the n-word is OK because so many African-Americans use it. If you are a Muslim, well then, I find your views on the issue just silly, not bigoted.
Kris,
You can’t possibly know what I know.
We already tried that on Kris. You can only call someone an @$$hole, a bastard and crazy so many times before it gets tiresome. What’s the point of bashing me?
Kris has called me a liar for stating the obvious facts about him. We can all see what he has done, so why would he deny the stunts he has pulled? He is the one who invaded our space to attack the cause of the blog, yet he expects us to be tolerant and respectful of him no matter what he says? There is no law or principle I know that demands any such thing.
I haven’t lied about anything, you jackass! The simple fact is that you have invaded Panda’s Thumb and have been a disruptive force from the beginning and have played us like suckers. I’m not fooled by you and no one else is. Even if you were insulted by one or two people in the beginning, you could have ignored it and just responded to the ones who were being positive to you, like flowersfriend has been, but instead you started throwing shit at everyone who dared to reject your tactics. We insulted you because that seemed to be what you liked, but I get tired of that after a while. You don’t, appearantly.
If you seriously think you have made ANY positive contributions to this community here, you are even more delusional than most Creationists!
None whatsoever, but since any comments to a troll are going to produce nothing but bashing in response, that leads to what the point of the comments was.
John often fails to read for comprehension. A poor highschool education , no doubt.
Oh Bob, I can hear the howls now: “Set phasers to SLAUGHTER!”
Your “profile” is a person who needs attention and does not even try to get it by behaving in any consistent or coherent fashion. You are a manipulative jerk who takes ANY response from others and uses it as an excuse to attack. You bash us for not being tolerant enough of Creationists, while stating Creationist fallacies yourself. Then you turn around and deny being religious and question why certain others who are Creationist take their religion so seriously. Such strange behavior is pathological in the extreme.
Gee, this website seems VERY important to you, considering how much time you spend here.
You are either crazy or a fraud, Kris.
The fun thing about the BW is that the trolls either have to cave in and respond on the BW – which they don’t want to do – or pass up responding – which they REALLY don’t want to do.
Your track record is too well known here for us to consider that you are sincere about anything. You are even WORSE than the average Creationist troll because you keep going back and forth between acting non-religious and acting like a Creationist. You cannot be both, so you must be bullshitting us. Nobody here can take that seriously.
If you don’t like being called a liar, stop being one. At least I have ALWAYS told the truth about YOU.
DH, a very minor issue here: the first part you cited above was addressed to me, and personally I find it amusing to watch such comments fall into a hole of resounding silence.
However, as far as the rest goes, carry on.
Oh, did you want to answer him here first? Be my guest. But I figured I’d just make a note of ANY inappropriate thing Kris says elsewhere and post it here, answer it here, and wait for Kris to take the hint and stop attacking us everywhere else and just slam people here.
Why would I want to do that? But if my own rejoinder is indifference, I can at least politely ask that the effect not be spoiled.
Kris threatens: “I would thoroughly enjoy kicking your ass and the asses of anyone else who has called me a liar,…”
Lotsa bluster; everybody’s collective asses are exposed right here.
AARGH! I am so outa here!
Whew! Glad I never called Kris a liar. I only called him a coward and a bully.
So it’s like “one of these days Alice, POW! To the mooning”?
Another collection of Kris’ delusional rants.
Panda’s Thumb is a blog made for defending evolution and promoting proper science education, and since Kris was the one who invaded the blog to spew both Creationist arguments that we were expected to “tolerate” (like we are supposed to tolerate falsehoods?) and then claim to be non-religious at other times, why shouldn’t we regard him as unwelcome, inconsistent and disruptive? Why shouldn’t we treat him like he is the enemy, when that’s all he has ever acted like since he arrived here?
An example of hypocrisy would be us invading and attacking ID promoters on Uncommon Descent. I’ve never done that, and never will. Maybe Kris can go over there and drive the ID people crazy for a while, to prove to us once and for all that he is an equal-opportunity critic, and not a bigoted Creationist concern troll.
http://www.uncommondescent.com/
Kris the creationist wrote:
“If, however, “descent with modification” is defined as showing that speciation (evolution) occurs and/or occurred, then that’s a different ballgame, and requires greater evidence. While a lot of evidence points to a persuasive probability that descent with modification, including divergence/speciation, occurred throughout(?) the history of life, there’s a lot more work to do to before it can reasonably be said that it has been established close to 100%, and I’m not sure it can be reasonably said that it can be established ‘empirically’. Many inferences have been and have to be made, and inferences are a matter of opinion.”
This is of course incorrect. I already posted a link to a web page entitled:
29+ Evidences for Macroevolution
If Kris wants to discuss the point, he can do so here. Maybe someone will want to discuss it with him. Unless of course he is just plain chicken shit.
Here’s the link again:
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/
You might just leave a short bland note on the original thread to invite him to come to the BW for discussion. He’ll ignore it, of course, but that works too.
Yawn.
(Bored.)
All the spamming at The Immune System Cross-examination Still Burns, and other forums, is very unChristlike, don’t you think?
Makes you wonder if these anti-science creation-supporters are Christians? (Never known a real creationist who wasn’t.)
It’s funny how trolls stubbornly resist being prodded to direct their comments to the BW. They know that once they do, they don’t have any real nuisance value any more: “What’s the point of trolling, then?”
Kris huffs and puffs and squeaks “What are you afraid of?” hiding behind his mommy’s apron. Afraid to mix it up on the big kid’s playground, he’ll sit in the sandbox and cry.
Poor widdle Kwis! Mean old scientists call you out on your stupid shit? Maybe if we ignore the little wanker he’ll go back into the closet and play with himself.
Geeze, I’m beginning to miss FL! I tell you, the neighborhood is going to hell.
I knew the asshole was chicken shit. All he haas to do is come here and provide a better explanation for the 29 different independent data sets that are all consistent with common descent. Until he does, I guess he will just be someone who believes in evolution but not in common descent. Yea right.
Everyone should remember, he had his chance to discuss science, he chose to quote mine and insult instead. He can cry all he wants to now, but everyone is wise to his crap.
What about you, FL? You insist the Bible literally describes a world-wide flood. If true we should see the geological results of a worldwide flood. We do not see such evidences, in fact we see the opposite.
Therefore either the Bible is FALSE, or you are WRONG.
Which is it? Hm?
Hey, I honestly do, Ben.
After all, some of you guys clearly don’t have all your marbles, but I enjoy playing with ‘em all the same!
FL (who’s taking a brief but cheerful break from all the bantering)
Indeed; you lied. You had the formula right in front of you but you didn’t know what to do with it. You couldn’t do the arithmetic. You couldn’t even get started.
But you pretended to understand that it was about disorder without doing the calculations. If you had understood what the formula was and how it told you to do the calculations, you could have pulled out a calculator and discovered for yourself that entropy has nothing to do with disorder. The hard evidence in the form of numbers was right there for you to check for yourself.
But what did you do? You claimed you had exactly the same formula and that YOUR authority says it means disorder. You didn’t turn the crank and discover otherwise.
You simply could not do the calculations. You waited for the answers and then pretended to be able to argue without having even looked at the results that were calculated for you. Everybody was laughing at you.
You didn’t get it but you faked knowledge you did not have. And when you were reminded about it just a few days ago, you started spouting off about hell.
You have been doing this routine since at least 2006 or 2007. It has never changed. You are a mindless robot with but one purpose; to masturbate furiously and ejaculate your sectarian dogma all over Panda’s Thumb. You have been told this before; yet you mindlessly masturbate on and on and on. And you just got it off again when you asserted that Presbyterians are not “true” Christians as you claim you are. You always have to get that in. It’s the orgasm you seek; the orgasm that you really get off on.
Absolutely. That’s why I study reality. Too bad you haven’t figured that out. See my beliefs don’t come from some text. I examined reality BEFORE I decided what it should be. Try it some time, if you dare.
Oh and I don’t condemn people to hell who disagree with me. I simply point out that they are denying reality. Like you Floyd.
FL is so arrogantly stupid, he can’t the difference between a Fig Newton and Thermodynamics.
Hey FL do you remember this??? (see below) I asked for an answer about the bible mounths ago and you flat, cold ignored it. Why? Because you don’t have a chance in your bar-b-que butt h-ll of answering it so don’t be going on about how you answer questions. It is logically impossible to take the genesis account literally. The flood itself is reason enough to doubt the historicity of the bible. It is a human construct and therefore no better than any other human construct and in some ways much, much worse. Even if evolution was wrong it doesn’t make this mythical tale any more “right” than zeus creating the world out of the bodies of the titans.
This list was written by a famous author and speaker in 19th century America. I have reasons for not revealing his identity in this post. I have taken the liberty of shortening the list and numbering it (ellipses indicate where there were more items on the list but in the interest of brevity I eliminated them) First If the bible was the word of a god “1. It should contain the perfection of philosophy 2. It should perfectly accord with every fact in nature……. 3. Its morality should be the highest and the purest…… 4. It should contain nothing calculated to make men cruel, revengeful, vindictive or infamous…… 5. It should be opposed to strife and war, to slavery and lust, to ignorance, credulity and superstition…… 6. It should be true.”
Can you agree that a book written by a god should be able to meet these criteria? If you disagree with any on this list please specify which ones and why you think the Bible shouldn’t have to meet this particular one. Please explain in YOUR OWN WORDS. No cut and paste quotes here I want to know why you disagree.
Second If the book in question fails to live up to something on this list wouldn’t that imply strongly that the book was a human construct rather than the word of a god?
That FL has to make his proposition out is, he says, a very familiar Panda position. So it is. It is the standard position of anyone who is presented with an assertion which is in doubt.
FL’s position is that Genesis must be read literally, or it is in essential (note the word “essential”) contradiction with the Bible itself.
That it is also in essential contradiction with observed reality is not something which concerns FL. This is typical of his mind. But I’ll take him on his own ground, in this.
I say it ain’t so. I say that Genesis need not be read as literal factual history, but as fictive narrative - myth, legend, allegory, meaningful story - and that such an interpretation is not inconsistent with the rest of Scripture.
FL says it must be literal, I say it needn’t be. FL is the one making the positive assertion. He’s the one who must make his assertion out. That’s the Panda position, because it’s the position of anyone who understands logical argument.
FL doesn’t, of course. That’s why he thinks that he comes here, denies science, denies reality, makes a fundamental proposition that he doesn’t demonstrate and then it’s up to us to convince him that he’s wrong!
Crazy. But that’s FL. He’s crazy.
Perhaps he believes a Merciful and Loving God would not condemn him to eternal torture simply because he was not smart enough correctly understand His desires as expressed after thousands of years of retelling and multiple translations. Someone who believes that this Loving and Merciful God will condemn him to eternal damnation for the slightest misunderstanding about tiny details that even no two Christians might agree on, and who concedes he could me wrong.….life for him must be Hell on Earth.
See this is the thing that Floyd doesn’t seem to understand. The conclusions of science are always tentative. Real scientists are always willing to admit they could be wrong. Your opinion isn’t what’s important, the evidence is what’s important, period. Winning an argument doesn’t make you right, the evidence makes you right. Showing that some parts of some text are or are not logically inconsistent doesn’t make you right, evidence makes you right. Floyd ignores evidence, so Floyd is automatically wrong. Floyd refuses to look at evidence, so Floyd obviously knows he is wrong. Floyd cannot look at the evidence out of fear that he might be wrong. Once again, that makes him wrong anyway.
And of course quoting Casey Luskin is not in any way shape or form discussing science. That is like trying to determine the orbital mechanics of a comet by consulting your horoscope, the two things aren’t even related. Reality doesn’t care what you think Floyd, never did, never will.
Comment 10^4? Or does a counter roll over and do very nasty things to the server?
Okay, back to the farm. Happy Friday, amigos; let’s have some fun.
So here’s the question(s), Dave Lovell: why is DS letting you do all his talking for him when it comes to God?
How do you and I know what he believes or not-believes about God, unless he’s willing to specify that information for himself?
FL
FL: ignoring the important stuff (like whether his rationalizations have anything to do with reality) since 2006!
So here is the question Fl, why are you letting Casey Luskin do all of your talking for you when it comes to science? Is it that you are completely ignorant and just buy any crap he spews out? Is it that you don’t want tpople to know that you don’t really understand anything about science?
And of course I couldn’t possibly stop anyone from posting anything they wanted, nor can they make me post anything. So your questions is complete nonsense. WHy are you willing to discuss anything and everything but science? Why are you so desperate to avoid an honest discussion about paralogy? DId you realize that you were wrong? Do you admit it?
Correction: FL is not willing, and does not want to discuss anything (in addition to science, in fact). He lies incessantly about being able to discuss things “honestly,” and he lies incessantly about wanting to discuss things “honestly.”
FL does not want to discuss anything. He just wants to spew his lies, and then ridicule us and taunt us about how we’re all evil, stupid, Hellbound sinners for not worshiping his lies. And then there is the fact that FL deludes himself into thinking that this is humane and civil behavior.
So that’s it? That’s all?
FL says Genesis (specifically, Genesis 1-11) must necessarily be read literally, or it is inconsistent with the rest of Scripture. I say it need not be read literally; that it may be read figuratively and still be consistent with all of Scripture.
For FL to make out his contention, all he has to do is quote one passage of Scripture that says that Genesis 1-11 must be read literally. He cannot do that. There is no such passage.
But he cannot do less. He cannot, for instance, say that Jesus said it must be read literally. Jesus did not say that. FL cannot quote Matthew, or the letters of Paul or Peter, for they do not say that either. In all of those passages, there is no necessary implication in the actual words that Jesus or the Apostle treated the Genesis stories as anything more than useful and meaningful stories, allegories and myth. There is no such necessary implication anywhere in Scripture.
FL says that he cannot be certain that his reading of Scripture is absolutely right. That would be reasonable, except that it’s a lie. FL may say that; but he’s only saying words he doesn’t believe for effect. In fact, he is absolutely certain that he could not be wrong. His behaviour over the last five or more years is completely at odds with the demeanour of someone who believes in his own fallibility. His deeds belie his words. That is flat-out hypocrisy. FL lies.
No, whatever he says, he is absolutely certain he is right; and on the strength of that certainty, he is prepared not only to set aside all physical evidence to the contrary. Also on the strength of it, he is prepared not only to question, but to deny, the integrity, faith and even the salvation of his fellow-Christians who think differently.
Utter unreason, but also overwheening pride, hubris, arrogance and bigotry. He’s crazy, but he’s also thoroughly evil. It’s not often the two go together, but FL does it.
Yup. Flawd the Damnd.
And, somehow, still boring as hell.
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