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- Religion and Science symposium: Iowa, 2007
by Tara Smith - Be a scientific consultant for the Clergy Letter Project!
by Tara Smith - Pope Benedict, Theistic Evolutionist
by Wesley R. Elsberry - KCFS Response to IDnet Proposal
by Burt Humburg - Evolution and Accident
by John S. Wilkins - Genie Scott lecture streaming
by Nick Matzke - Marc Hauser: Moral Grammar
by PvM - Time: God vs. Science
by PvM - A little more irony.
by Mike Dunford - Vatican Policy: Not Evolving
by PvM - American Public Radio show: Understanding Charles Darwin
by Nick Matzke - The Larger Issue of Bad Religion
by Guest Contributor - Episcopal Church: Resolution A129 Affirm Creation and Evolution
by PvM - AAAS and the Alliance for Science
by Ethan Rop - George Coyne: ‘Science Does Not Need God. Or Does It?
by PvM - Evolution Sunday: The Day After
by PvM - Evolution Sunday/Darwin Day
by PvM - Intelligent Design belittles God,
by PvM - Moving the goalposts: Or a 'puff of smoke'
by PvM - God, Science, and Kooky Kansans
by Burt Humburg - What Was God Thinking? Science Can't Tell.
by PvM - Vienna cardinal draws lines in Intelligent Design row
by PvM - Clergy Project Nearing Goal of 10,000 Signatures
by Wesley R. Elsberry - Vatican official refutes intelligent design
by PvM - Francis Collins presentation
by PvM - Faithful Should Listen to Science
by PvM - Area clergy make room for evolution with the divine
by PvM - The wheels on the bus...
by Mike Dunford - God and natural selection, hand in hand
by Nick Matzke - An Open Letter Concerning Religion and Science
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Posted by Tara Smith on July 20, 2007 | Comments (0) | TrackBack (0)
A looong time ago, I mentioned that I spent St. Patrick’s Day weekend in Wartburg College in Waverly, Iowa, at a symposium I helped to plan (but neglected to blog! Oops). Along with other scientists, theologians, philosophers, and generally interested persons, we worked for a bit over a year to put this symposium together. Why?
The principal aim of the conference is to clarify the causes of the conflict between science educators and those who wish to have Intelligent Design taught in public schools. We do not claim to be neutral on this issue. We are convinced that ID is not good science and should not be presented as such. Our position is consonant with that of the National Center for Science Education and the Iowa Academy of Science. We believe that the polarization of opinion on this issue has created misunderstanding and confusion and that a clarification of terminology and concepts is essential for productive dialogue and decision making.
How did it turn out? I have the write-up over at Aetiology…
Posted by Tara Smith on July 17, 2007 | Comments (78) | TrackBack (0)
By now, regular readers will probably be familiar with The Clergy Letter Project spearheaded by Michael Zimmerman. Formulated in part to respond to the framing of the evolution controversy as a battle between science and religion, the letter now boasts more than 10,700 signatures from clergy, and have sponsored Evolution Sunday events for the past 2 years.
Well, Zimmerman has a new project now:
Our latest initiative is to create a list of scientists around the world who are willing to answer scientific questions posed by clergy who are supportive of modern science in general and evolution in particular (Link). In just a bit over three weeks, we already have over 200 scientists signed up to help out. I hasten to add that the information these scientists will be providing will be solely of a scientific nature and thus their personal religious inclinations are absolutely irrelevant.
In addition to creating a useful resource for clergy, I am hoping for the list to make a major political statement: religious leaders and scientists can work together – despite what religious fundamentalists claim. I also would very much like to have more names on this list than the number of scientists the Discovery Institute has on a list it trumpets of scientists claiming to “question” evolution.
(Emphasis mine). If you’re interested, drop an email to Michael ([Enable javascript to see this email address.]) and include your name, title, address, area(s) of expertise, and email address–and spread the word!
(Cross-posted at Aetiology).
Posted by Wesley R. Elsberry on April 11, 2007 | Comments (44) | TrackBack (1)
This news article reports on a topic that tugs at antievolutionist heartstrings: would the Pope, leader of the Catholic church, throw in with them, joining them in the “intelligent design” big tent? The answer, at least according to this news report, is “No”. Pope Benedict is reported to adopt theistic evolution, the idea that God’s method of creation is what science has discovered concerning evolutionary biology. And we know from William Dembski that “intelligent design theorists” are no friends of theistic evolution.
A lot of the coverage has concentrated on Benedict’s stance against atheism, which seems to me to be about as newsworthy as taking up the question, “Is the Pope Catholic?” Well, yes, it seems that he is.
Posted by bhumburg on March 31, 2007 | Comments (10) | TrackBack (0)
In 2001, evolution was poised to return to the the Kansas Science Standards. The Intelligent Design Network objected to them and proposed changes that would have left open the door to teaching creationism. Kansas Citizens for Science responded to their proposal, which was sent to all members of the state board. One might suspect the response to have been too parochial for anything other than Kansas creationism; one would be wrong: the response serves as a prototype response for many creationist arguments and works nicely as a reference for letters to the editor even today.
Find it below, after the fold. It is also available in PDF and RTF formats.
Continue reading “KCFS Response to IDnet Proposal”
Posted by John Wilkins on March 13, 2007 | Comments (4) | TrackBack (0)
A common attack upon evolutionary biology, from ranking clerics in the Catholic church to the meanest creationist blogger, is that it implies that life arose and came to result in us by accident. We are asked to believe, they say, that three billion years led to us as a series of accidents. No matter how often evolutionary biologists and informed respondents try to point out that the sense of “accident” in biology is based on the lack of correlation between the future needs of organisms, the trope is repeated ad nauseum.
Why?
Posted by Nick Matzke on February 1, 2007 | Comments (12) | TrackBack (0)
In about 10 minutes (7:30 pm Eastern), Eugenie Scott, director of the National Center for Science Education, is going to give a lecture for the “Fundamentally Speaking” lecture series at SUNY-Cortland. This is for an advanced communications class, so naturally the lecture is streaming live at this link. The topic is “Conservative Christianity and Evolution” (description).
Posted by Pim van Meurs on November 6, 2006 | Comments (97)
In earlier postings of mine, I mentioned the term “moral grammar” without providing the full references as to where the term originates and what it means. The term “Moral Grammar” was coined by Marc Hauser to describe a universal set or rules and principles to be used to build moral systems:
The core idea is derived from the work in generative grammar that [MIT linguist Noam] Chomsky initiated in the 1950s and that the political philosopher John Rawls brought to life in a short section of his major treatise A Theory of Justice in 1971. In brief, I argue that we are endowed with a moral faculty that delivers judgments of right and wrong based on unconsciously operative and inaccessible principles of action. The theory posits a universal moral grammar, built into the brains of all humans. The grammar is a set of principles that operate on the basis of the causes and consequences of action. Thus, in the same way that we are endowed with a language faculty that consists of a universal toolkit for building possible languages, we are also endowed with a moral faculty that consists of a universal toolkit for building possible moral systems.
Source: American Scientist The Bookshelf talks with Marc Hauser by Greg Ross
Continue reading “Marc Hauser: Moral Grammar”
Posted by Pim van Meurs on November 5, 2006 | Comments (146)
Time has an interesting article on God vs. Science which includes an interview with Francis Collins and Richard Dawkins.
The article points out how the Intelligent Design movement may have inadvertantly given science a much needed boost, as more and more scientists express their frustrations with the level of scientific vacuity of this new form of creationism. Even more ironically, ID may have provided atheists a much needed boost.
Like Freudianism before it, the field of evolutionary psychology generates theories of altruism and even of religion that do not include God. Something called the multiverse hypothesis in cosmology speculates that ours may be but one in a cascade of universes, suddenly bettering the odds that life could have cropped up here accidentally, without divine intervention.
Continue reading “Time: God vs. Science”
Posted by Mike Dunford on September 22, 2006 | Comments (317)
Here’s an interesting take on why theistic evolution (TE) might be a bad position to hold:
So essentially, both Dawkins and Miller see no evidence of design, and their philosophy as to how evolution works is the same, yet Dawkins follows that evidence and declares the world is without a designer and Miller claims to believe there is a designer. Bizarre. So Miller apparently, like most TE’s, holds to his religious beliefs on faith ~alone~. That’s the problems with TE’s - they can give you no reason whatsoever as to why they believe what they do in regard to their religious beliefs other than they take it all on faith. (source)
Here’s why it’s interesting (at The Questionable Authority):
Posted by Pim van Meurs on September 8, 2006 | Comments (23)
Despite the hopes of some ID proponents, the Catholic Church’s position on evolution is unlikely to change significantly in the near time:
Don’t look for a big change any time soon in the Catholic Church’s views on evolution. Although supporters of evolution had feared that the Pope would embrace so-called intelligent design, Pope Benedict XVI gave no sign at a gathering last week as to how he thought the topic should be taught.
The pope said little during the meeting, which included his former theology Ph.D. students and a small group of experts near Rome. Peter Schuster, a chemist at the University of Vienna and president of the Austrian Academy of Sciences, attended the meeting and gave a lecture on evolutionary theory. “The pope … listened to my talk very carefully and asked very good questions at the end,” he says. And the Church’s most outspoken proponent of intelligent design, Cardinal Schönborn, seemed to distance himself from the theory.
source: Volume 313, Number 5792, Issue of 08 September 2006
©2006 by The American Association for the Advancement of Science.
Continue reading “Vatican Policy: Not Evolving”
Posted by Nick Matzke on July 21, 2006 | Comments (61)
Due to the Darwin Correspondance Project, the Darwin Digital Library of Evolution at the American Museum of Natural History Library, modern Darwin scholarship by people like James Moore, the AMNH Darwin exhibition, together with the web, amazing things are now possible if journalists get interested in taking a serious look at Darwin and reactions to Darwin.
An example is an hour-long program entitled “Evolution and Wonder – Understanding Charles Darwin” that is being broadcast on many public radio stations on Sunday and Monday. It is also available for online download in streaming or mp3 format at the program website, which includes a large amount of additional material.
Rather than re-invent the wheel I will quote the summary from NCSE news:
Continue reading “American Public Radio show: Understanding Charles Darwin”
Posted by Guest on July 9, 2006 | Comments (386)
by Mark Isaak
One contributor to this board has commented that religion is never addressed critically here. That’s about to change. Below, I define a criterion for bad religion, explore reasons for its prevalence, and suggest means of combating it. I’m sure many people can find much here to disagree with; I hope they can find things to think about, too.
First, let me clarify that there are really at least two battles for evolution. The first battle is science vs. apathy and poor education generally. That battle, though important, is uncontroversial. The same battle exists for mathematics without excessively raising ire. I will not consider it further here.
The second battle is sometimes called science vs. religion, but such a characterization is grossly misleading. Really, the battle is science, religion, and just about everyone else vs. bad religion.
Continue reading “The Larger Issue of Bad Religion”
Posted by Pim van Meurs on June 22, 2006 | Comments (83)
On Wednesday, June 14, 2006, the Episcopal News Services reported that the bishops had approved Resolution A129 Affirm Creation and Evolution. The Resolution reads as follows:
Resolved, the House of_____ concurring, That the 75th General Convention affirm that God is Creator, in accordance with the witness of Scripture and the ancient Creeds of the Church; and be it further,
Resolved, That the theory of evolution provides a fruitful and unifying scientific explanation for the emergence of life on earth, and that an acceptance of evolution in no way diminishes the centrality of Scripture in telling the stories of the love of God for the Creation and is entirely compatible with an authentic and living Christian faith; and be it further
Resolved, That Episcopalians strongly encourage state legislatures and state and local boards of education to establish standards for science education based on the best available scientific knowledge as accepted by a consensus of the scientific community; and be it further Resolved, That Episcopal dioceses and congregation seek the assistance of scientists and science educators in understanding what constitutes reliable scientific knowledge.
Continue reading “Episcopal Church: Resolution A129 Affirm Creation and Evolution”
Posted by Evil Monkey on February 21, 2006 | Comments (4)
Greetings and salutations! I just returned from the AAAS meeting in St. Louis, and what a trip it was! I finally got to meet Wesley Elsberry and Nick Matzke of NCSE fame, and it was great to see Eugenie again. The occasion for these festivities? The newly formed Alliance for Science ran a three hour symposium entitled Antievolutionism in America: What’s Ahead? We had one hell of a speaker line-up. Dr. Scott kicked it off with her usual eloquence, and was followed by a slew of people to talk about everything from threats to fields outside biology, particularly geology and neuroscience, to the successes of Dover C.A.R.E.S. This symposium was unique because we recognize the plight of those on the front line and gave plenty of podium time to them. For example, Gerald Wheeler from the National Science Teachers Association, a certain pastor from this little town called Dover, and Michael Zimmerman of the Clergy Letter Project all got a chance to air their concerns and suggestions.
Not surprisingly the room was packed for most of the event, with standing room only in the back. The press even ate it up by publishing a story that included the Alliance for Science and a legislative initiative with which we are involved. The article did get one little piece of information wrong though: it suggests that the AAAS itself was involved in the creation of the Alliance for Science. This is not the case.
Continue reading “AAAS and the Alliance for Science”
Posted by Pim van Meurs on February 21, 2006 | Comments (207)
Father George Coyne, director of the Vatican Observatory, presented the following speech “Science Does Not Need God, or Does It? A Catholic Scientist Looks at Evolution,” at Palm Beach Atlantic University in West Palm Beach, Fla., Jan. 31:
Abstract
I would essentially like to share with you two convictions in this presentation: (1) that the Intelligent Design (ID) movement, while evoking a God of power and might, a designer God, actually belittles God, makes her/him too small and paltry; (2) that our scientific understanding of the universe, untainted by religious considerations, provides for those who believe in God a marvelous opportunity to reflect upon their beliefs. Please note carefully that I distinguish, and will continue to do so in this presentation, that science and religion are totally separate human pursuits. Science is completely neutral with respect to theistic or atheistic implications which may be drawn from scientific results.
Continue reading “George Coyne: ‘Science Does Not Need God. Or Does It?”
Posted by Pim van Meurs on February 13, 2006 | Comments (19)
The initial reports are starting to trickle in about classes, sermons and other activities related to Evolution Sunday.
Continue reading “Evolution Sunday: The Day After”
Posted by Pim van Meurs on February 12, 2006 | Comments (60)
The Rev. Richard E. Edwards will not mince words in his sermon today about God and Charles Darwin, the 19th century naturalist whose theory of evolution rocked the world.
“I want to reaffirm the compatibility of Biblical tradition and modern science,” said Edwards, pastor of Stony Brook Community Church, a small, Methodist congregation that draws members from the nearby university and medical center. “This is a community where science counts, and where folks really need to hear that.”
Source Compromise between Darwin and God
See also Google Related Stories for more newspaper articles and links on Evolution Sunday
Evolution Sunday is part of a broader campaign begun a year ago called the Clergy Letter Project. Through e-mail and word-of-mouth, 10,266 clergy have now signed an online letter backing evolution as “a foundational scientific truth, one that has stood up to rigorous scrutiny and upon which much of human knowledge and achievement rests.”
Continue reading “Evolution Sunday/Darwin Day”
Posted by Pim van Meurs on January 31, 2006 | Comments (169)
Catholic Online has published an article in which the director of the Vatican Observatory, Jesuit Father George V. Coyne speaks out, once again, against the perils of intelligent design.
Father Coyne observes that
Intelligent Design reduces and belittles God’s power and might, according to the director of the Vatican Observatory.
But Father Coyne goes much further
Continue reading “Intelligent Design belittles God,”
Posted by Pim van Meurs on December 22, 2005 | Comments (196)
It seems that Dembski has decided to ‘decisively’ move the goalposts of ID further out and although in earlier writings he did mention the possibility of ‘front loading’, he also considered such possibilities to be unlikely and ‘deistic’ in nature.
Now he may have clarified his position:
Let’s cut to the chase: Is the designer responsible for biological complexity God? Even as a very traditional Christian and an ardent proponent of ID, I would say NOT NECESSARILY. To ask who or what is the designer of a particular object is to ask for the immediate intelligent agent responsible for its design. The point is that God is able to work through derived or surrogate intelligences, which can be anything from angels to organizing principles embedded in nature.
For instance, just because I hold to both Christian theism and ID doesn’t mean that God directly designed and implemented the bacterial flagellum by specifically toggling its components. It could well have happened by a process of natural genetic engineering of the sort envisioned by James Shapiro. The design would be no less real, but God’s role in the design would be distant, not proximal.
Philosophers have long distinguished between primary and secondary causes. The problem is that under the pall of methodological naturalism, secondary causes have been identified with purely materialistic processes. But it’s perfectly legitimate for secondary causes to include teleological processes. I develop all this at length in THE DESIGN REVOLUTION.
Anything from angels to organizing principles, I clearly see the scientific value of ID here. And the logical conclusion from Dembski’s admissions about front-loading is that natural explanations would be able to explain the origin of such features as the bacterial flagellum. Thus, lacking any further evidence, science would be unable to reach a conclusion of ‘intelligent design’ as the evidence would be hidden beyond our observations. In other words, Intelligent Design has moved itself further into the realm of scientific vacuity.
Not bad for a days work though. Boy do I wish Dembski had testified at the Dover trial.
I find it fascinating that Dembski on the one hand seems to be arguing that complex specified information requires a supernatural origin while on the other hand arguing that CSI can in fact be explained by natural law alone. Whether or not a supernatural designer was responsible for the front loading is a question science cannot answer.
Which is exactly why Intelligent Design makes for poor science and good apologetics. As such, I start to understand more and more why Dembski has returned to apologetics.
Given the recent scientific progress, it may not come as a surprise to see ID proponents retreat to front-loading.
Continue reading “Moving the goalposts: Or a 'puff of smoke'”
Posted by bhumburg on December 8, 2005 | Comments (97)
A week or so ago, I was interviewed by Sarah Smarsh, a writer for a Lawrence, KS-based alternative newspaper. She was looking for people who could comment on the interactions between science and religion, or more specifically how one could be a Christian and also understand evolution.
You can read the article
on the web now and I think she did a pretty good job.*
BCH
*For the record, the churches I grew up in did not teach that the world was flat. True flat-earth creationists are vanishingly rare these days, creationists having found a way to overcome the flat earth beliefs that a true literalism would demand.
Posted by Pim van Meurs on November 27, 2005 | Comments (216)
2001 winner of the Nobel Prize for Physics, Eric Cornell, gave a speech at his induction into the American Academy of Arts and Sciences. The Time article is an adaptation of this speech.
Cornell claims that science isn’t about knowing the mind of God, but about understanding nature and the reasons for things. For science, Cornell claims, Intelligent Design is a dead-end idea because it claims that the scientific reason for things is that God wanted it that way. Cornell calls on scientists to keep Intelligent Design out of science classes, and to keep moral and religious judgments out of science.
Time; 11/14/2005, Vol. 166 Issue 20, p98-98, 1p, 1c
Remember Behe’s testimony?
Continue reading “What Was God Thinking? Science Can't Tell.”
Posted by Pim van Meurs on November 21, 2005 | Comments (56)
After various other Vatican officials had already expressed their discomfort with the Intelligent Design Creationism movement, Cardinal Schonborn, who initially had confused some with his comments about intelligent design, has finally outlined the details.
Schonborn, whose initial comments on Intelligent Design may have been coached by organizations supporting ID, seems to have come to the realization that Intelligent Design is scientifically vacuous.
Continue reading “Vienna cardinal draws lines in Intelligent Design row”
Posted by Wesley R. Elsberry on November 20, 2005 | Comments (261)
The Clergy Project letter now has 9,919 signatures, and their goal is to collect 10,000 signatures. This is a letter signed by clergy in the USA that asserts that religion and science are compatible, and further that evolutionary biology should be taught: “To reject this truth or to treat it as “one theory among others” is to deliberately embrace scientific ignorance and transmit such ignorance to our children.”
So, if you are a member of the clergy, or if you know of a member of the clergy who has not yet signed, this is the final call for signatures. Instructions are on this page.
Update: The Clergy Project was at 10,002 signatures as of November 23rd, 2005. Congratulations to Michael Zimmerman, and thanks to the participating clergy.
Continue reading “Clergy Project Nearing Goal of 10,000 Signatures”
Posted by Pim van Meurs on November 19, 2005 | Comments (161)
The Seattle PI reports that Rev. George Coyne, the Jesuit director of the Vatican Observatory, has observed the obvious namely that “Intelligent design isn’t science even though it pretends to be,…”
While the Catholic church obviously supports ‘intelligent design’, it also seems to realize that ‘Intelligent Design’ is scientifically vacuous.
Posted by Pim van Meurs on November 5, 2005 | Comments (14)
Francis Collins, director of the Human Genome Research Institute, recently gave a presentation at Trinity Episcopal Church. The newspaper reports suggest that Collins considered Intelligent Design to be ‘faith’ and in fact, according to an eyewitness report, Collins considers Intelligent Design to be lacking as a science.
Collins used the Biblical Quote
“It is not good to have zeal without knowledge. … “ (Proverbs 19:2 NIV)
Continue reading “Francis Collins presentation”
Posted by Pim van Meurs on November 3, 2005 | Comments (12)
More news from the Vatican
A Vatican cardinal said Thursday the faithful should listen to what secular modern science has to offer, warning that religion risks turning into “fundamentalism” if it ignores scientific reason.
Vatican: Faithful Should Listen to Science
Not surprisingly the questions asked, involved the issue of evolution and Intelligent Design
Continue reading “Faithful Should Listen to Science”
Posted by Pim van Meurs on October 2, 2005 | Comments (70)
Link Sunday, October 02, 2005 BY MARY WARNER Of The Patriot-News
Darwin and God seem irreconcilable to many Americans. That’s why evolution remains a flashpoint in public schools.
Many others see no conflict, though. And that reconciliation has been a subtext of a closely watched federal trial in Harrisburg about teaching evolution.
“Faith and reason are not only compatible. They are complementary,” testified Ken Miller, a biologist who took the stand to affirm Charles Darwin’s theory as established science.
Continue reading “Area clergy make room for evolution with the divine”
Posted by Mike Dunford on July 31, 2005
There’s an excellent article over at Photon in the Darkness on on telling people when they don’t know what they’re talking about.
(Hat tip to Orac)
Posted by Nick Matzke on July 14, 2005 | Comments (63)
Bill Dembski has a post up about Roger Ebert’s review of Spielberg’s new adaptation of War of the Worlds. It’s actually Jim Emerson’s review on rogerebert.suntimes.com, but whatever. (Roger Ebert, unlike everyone else, didn’t like the movie — he let his inner scientific nit-picker take over on this one). Emerson gets in some good gratuitous jabs at ID, which Ebert himself has done in the past.
Anyhow, the movie is very much worth seeing, and the review is worth reading. As everyone knows, what dooms the aliens in The War of the Worlds is microbial disease, to which the aliens have no resistance (feel free to do the scientific nitpick on this, I would be interested in opinions). What I found striking about the conclusion of the movie (which also struck Emerson) was the voiceover by Morgan Freeman, which is basically a very strong statement of theistic evolution. I can’t find a transcript of the movie version, but here is H.G. Wells’s original version, from an online e-text of War of the Worlds:
Continue reading “God and natural selection, hand in hand”
Posted by Pim van Meurs on June 1, 2005 | Comments (17)
In her ‘response’ toOrr’s excellent contribution in the New Yorker, Denyse O’Leary quotes Luskin
Luskin, an apparent enfant terrible, also challenges Orr on a sensitive point:
I publicly invite Allen Orr to explain to us how his Darwinian view of life interfaces with his personal religious beliefs. Public disclosure of Orr’s personal views would go much further towards reassuring people that it is possible to believe in God and evolution than would his mere citation to a statement by a pope who said that God and evolution are compatible. My e-mail address is .
Any other Darwinist is welcome to do the same, I suppose.
Continue reading “ An Open Letter Concerning Religion and Science”
