Mark Perakh posted Entry 2943 on February 28, 2007 06:57 PM.
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Joseph Meert, a professor of Hydrocephalic Earth Studies and Structure at Bayou University in Gainesville, Florida (I guess in plain English it has something to do with geology) reports on an appearance there of an Islamic advocate of creationism who explained to the audience of a few tens of students that evolution is impossible because fish is very different from land walking animals. Dr. Meert’s post can be seen here.

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Comment #163316

Posted by Sir_Toejam on February 28, 2007 8:25 PM (e)

hydrocephalic earth studies…

is that what happens to a geologist after being exposed to “flood” geology?

Comment #163317

Posted by Sir_Toejam on February 28, 2007 8:31 PM (e)

What students learn about evolution in books is “fake” and has no scientific value, a Turkish neurosurgeon said to about 50 students Tuesday.

Human life is a result of Allah, not evolution, said Dr. Oktar Babuna, a controversial Muslim speaker.

hmm, what are the probabilities that TWO neurosurgeons (the other being Michael Egnor - http://www.pandasthumb.org/archives/2007/02/egno…, from opposite sides of the globe and two supposedly different relgious sects end up posting the same drivel witin days of each other.

I smell the familiar stink of the DI behind these two supposedly unrelated events.

big tent, indeed.

Comment #163319

Posted by sparc on February 28, 2007 8:36 PM (e)

From the By Bayou University home page:

BY BAYOU UNIVERSITY
Your Diploma Mill on the Web

Our mission statement
We at By Bayou University strive to give our custom students the highest quality diploma at a reasonable price, while maintaining a constant inflow of beer money. The quality of our diplomas meets or exceeds that of diploma mills operating out of the basements of churches anywhere. We require no statement of faith or oaths of fidelity. While we offer degrees at the Associate, Bachelor and Master level, you may skip these and go directly to the Doctorate.

The faculty:

Professor of Pseudo-Pseudogenetics Dr. Mockingbird1 Dr.Psi2Genetics
Professor of Firmament Fermentation Fizicks Dr. Orion Dr.Cre.Sci.Edu.
Professor of Hydrocephalic Earth Studies and Structure Dr. Joe Meert Dr.Cre.Sci.Edu.
Professor of Scientific Autorelational Urban Creationary Engineering Dr. Tim Thompson Dr.Cre.Sci.Edu.
Professor of Metaphysical Presuppositionalism Dr. D.E. Craig Dr. Obfus.Neol.
Professor of Forensic Theology Dr. Pat Parson Dr.Cre.Sci.Edu.
Professor of Chromosomal Transmogrification Dr. Robert Williams Dr. Chr.Trans.
Professor of Scientific Recreation Dr. Rob Miles Dr.Sci.Recr.
Professor of Cetacean Bioacoustics Dr. Wesley Elsberry Dr.Cet.Bioac.
Professor of Searchology Dr. Gary Harris Dr. Srch.

Comment #163320

Posted by Noodle on February 28, 2007 8:50 PM (e)

Sigh, that’s my alma mater. University of Florida that is. I have no idea what By Bayou University is. I was happy to at least read the following bits from the article in the Alligator:

“After the speech, students gathered in groups of five or six, and many passionately refuted Babuna’s claims. Others rushed to ask Babuna questions and challenge his arguments.”

“Vice President of Islam on Campus Yaser Ali said his organization brought Babuna to encourage debate and provide a different perspective on the issue.

‘These views aren’t necessarily the views of Islam on Campus,’ he said.”

Go Gators!

Comment #163321

Posted by sparc on February 28, 2007 8:51 PM (e)

Maybe PT should invite Taner Edis for a longer review on Islam and science

Comment #163326

Posted by lane wilcox on February 28, 2007 9:24 PM (e)

Joe Meert is a christian geologist who does his best to debunk YEC. he accepts the compatibilty of science and religion. You can check out some of his postings at christianforums.com -one of the best “theistic” evolution forums i know of (besides PT and associated places)

Comment #163332

Posted by dr_gallo on February 28, 2007 11:21 PM (e)

I appreciate that Dr. Meert has listed his degree from and faculty position at By Bayou U in his personal information. However, the reader made a mistake in assuming that BBU is in Gainesville, FL. BBU is just outside of Houston, TX. White Oak Bayou is the bayou that By Bayou U is by. I’m not even sure that there are any bayous in Gainesville.

Anyway, I am the President, Dean, and Registrar of said University. It is, of course, a virtual university, with no campus, no buildings, and no classes.

Thanks, Joe, for the mention. I guess I’ll have go update the site and go back into the business of issuing diplomas.

Comment #163339

Posted by Mark Perakh on March 1, 2007 1:55 AM (e)

Jokes aside, in fact Dr. Joseph Meert is a professor of geology at the University of Florida.

Comment #163387

Posted by Raging Bee on March 1, 2007 7:34 AM (e)

STJ: If the DI are getting involved in Islamist creationism, then that would represent a new low for them – they’re not just liars and fools, they’re openly using threats and violence to intimidate real scientists and stifle opposing views. Yes, the Christianists are doing that too, but the Islamists are more blatant about it, and less ashamed.

Comment #163388

Posted by GvlGeologist, FCD on March 1, 2007 8:36 AM (e)

I always thought Bayou University was LSU’s nickname.

Another Gator alum.

Comment #163397

Posted by alhaurin on March 1, 2007 10:54 AM (e)

Look at all the posibilities of this “factory” of widgets RSS “beon” presents you:

http://factory.beon4u.com/factory.aspx

It´s great, isn´t it?

Comment #163401

Posted by Taner Edis on March 1, 2007 11:37 AM (e)

sparc: “Maybe PT should invite Taner Edis for a longer review on Islam and science.”

Not a bad idea, one of these days. Meanwhile, my new book An Illusion of Harmony: Science and Religion in Islam is just out. Read it; it contains quite a lot about all forms of Muslim creationism, ID, and responses to evolution in general…

Comment #163404

Posted by Raging Bee on March 1, 2007 12:16 PM (e)

Edis: Have you had any direct experience with Muslim creationists, such as Harun Yahya (or whatever his real name is)? Is their campaign of intimidation as bad as the Wikipedia article on Yahya indicates?

Comment #163408

Posted by Mark Perakh on March 1, 2007 1:09 PM (e)

There is some stuff on Harun Yahya at TalkReason - here and here, the first one by Taner Edis and the second by Michael Hopkins.

Comment #163411

Posted by Pizza Woman on March 1, 2007 1:34 PM (e)

Hmmm. If the DI is truly hookin’ up with vahlence-spoutin’ MidEast creationists, it maht be that we all should jest turn the DImbulbs in as terroristas…non, mon cher?

Which jest maht suhve thet Dembski feller raht for one a his “street theatah” stunts a while back, when he tried ta pull somethin similah…

Comment #163412

Posted by Raging Bee on March 1, 2007 1:47 PM (e)

Thanks, Mark. The first link doesn’t work, but the second is quite interesting. This Yahya guy looks flakier (and more dangerous) every time I look.

Comment #163416

Posted by Sir_Toejam on March 1, 2007 2:23 PM (e)

STJ: If the DI are getting involved in Islamist creationism, then that would represent a new low for them – they’re not just liars and fools, they’re openly using threats and violence to intimidate real scientists and stifle opposing views. Yes, the Christianists are doing that too, but the Islamists are more blatant about it, and less ashamed.

hmm, wasn’t Harun Yahya invited to participate in the Kansas Kangaroo Kourt Komedy as well?

Comment #163417

Posted by Sir_Toejam on March 1, 2007 2:29 PM (e)

ahh, no, more specifically, that was actually Mustafa Akyol, but it’s like mistaking phillip johnson for casey luskin (same breed, same organization).

http://www.pandasthumb.org/archives/2005/05/why_…

Comment #163422

Posted by dbpitt on March 1, 2007 2:43 PM (e)

Dr. Oktar Babuna, not Joseph Meert, spoke at the University of Florida (in Gainesville), not “Bayou University” which I am pretty sure is the nickname for LSU (in Batton Rouge).

According to the school newspaper, the Alligator, the creationism/ID message was not specifically expected by the group who invited him, Islam on Campus, nor was it approved of by much of the small audience.

You can’t criticize the university for this. In fact, they recently showed “Flock of Dodos” on campus. And I insist on taking a look at student views of religion in the newspaper’s opinion section from Feb. 7th, 9th, and 12th at www.alligator.org

Comment #163521

Posted by Mark Perakh on March 2, 2007 1:25 AM (e)

Thanks, Raging Bee, for pointing to the wrong link to Taner’s post. It is fixed now.