Nick Matzke posted Entry 2604 on September 25, 2006 02:49 PM.
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Well, it’s only Monday, but I think I’ve already got the Silliest Thing I’ve Heard All Week: that the creationist/cdesign proponentsist/intelligent design textbook Of Pandas and People is banned from libraries.

Here is the announcement of the latest podcast from the Discovery Institute (Here is the text version at the DI Media/Judge/ACLU Complaints Division.):

Banned Books Week Nominee: Intelligent Design Friendly Textbook
September 25, 2006 09:59AM

This episode of ID The Future podcast features a commentary by CSC senior fellow Dr. John West on the banning of an intelligent design textbook from public schools.

Sept. 23-30 is “Banned Books Week,” sponsored by the American Library Association. In commemoration of this annual event, Dr. West is submitting Of Pandas and People for nomination for the top banned book of the past year. Listen in as he explains why.

The actual podcast is a rant-n-rave about how the ACLU has “banned” Pandas from the library, and follows with the standard litany of other alleged martyrs for the creationists intelligent design critical analysis of evolution cause. Quoth John West, a Senior Fellow of the whole Institute and Associate Director of the Center for the Renewal of Science and Culture:

[start - 1:15]

While I didn’t favor the Dover policy, the idea that it was an affront to the first amendment to make Of Pandas and People available to students on a voluntary basis is Orwellian. In fact, it was the ACLU that was offending the First Amendment, by engaging in book banning. Unfortunately, ACLU attorneys were able to convinced federal judge John E. Jones to go along.

[end - 1:40]

(Apologies for those of you who just blew out your irony meters, I should warn people before quoting a sentence where a DI representative calls someone “Orwellian.”)

There is only one problem here: Pandas was not banned from the library by the Kitzmiller v. Dover decision. This was, in fact, an impossible result, since this remedy was not requested in the plaintiffs’ original Complaint, nor in subsequent litigation.

The entirety of the chatter about banning Pandas from the library is derived from the Thomas More Law Center, the Discovery Institute, and other yodellers in the right-wing echo chamber, and was (and is) simply a crass attempt to rewrite history in a legally and politically convenient way. To show this, we must return to The Beginning…

Dover in 2004: Pre-lawsuit

Back in 2004, the Dover Area School District received an “anonymous” donation of 58 copies of Pandas. These books were not originally intended for the library – who, in their right mind, would put 58 identical copies of a book in a library? Even a large university library will have only a few copies of a book at most, let alone a school library. 58 copies is not a believable number of library copies, it is rather two classroom sets. Precisely this was declared by DASB member William Buckingham and others (the DASB wanted even more copies originally, hundreds actually, but they were facing fierce opposition to using school district funds and so had to arrange the “anonymous” donation of the books).

The original idea in Dover, then, as the ID policy was passed in October 2004, was that ID would be put in the curriculum, Pandas would be listed as the reference text in the curriculum, and the biology classrooms would handily have copies for everybody ready to go. (There were various detailed debates about exactly how this would go down – the besieged Dover teachers said that if they were required to have the Pandas books in the classroom, they would put them in a cabinet, whereas Buckingham et al. wanted a copy on each students’ desk.)

These were the facts upon which the Plaintiffs’ official Complaint, filed on December 14, 2004, was based. This is why, in the section that requests remedy, the Complaint reads,

b. an injunction pursuant to Fed. R. Civ. P. 65 prohibiting the defendants from implementing their intelligent design policy in any school within the Dover Area School District, and requiring the removal of Of Pandas and People from the School District’s science classrooms; (bold added)

The word “library” does not appear in the Complaint. In fact, before the case was filed, I specifically recall that the ACLU (one of many participants in the case, a fact universally ignored by the ID propagandists) made sure that everyone involved on the plaintiffs’ side understood that we were not trying to ban Pandas from the library, because the ACLU doesn’t do that sort of thing. There is actually a body of law on school libraries and book banning, and, roughly speaking, school libraries can and should include a variety of works – science, religion, creationism, whatever. Public school libraries have a specific educational mission and their collection should be aimed at that (graduate level textbooks are not appropriate, nor a library with all creationism books and no science books), but this does not exclude having some creationist books.

(I think it is pretty clear that creationists trying to “stuff the shelves” with their viewpoint by donating piles of creationist books to the library is both educationally wrong and constitutionally dubious, but I don’t think there is a case on that specific issue, and anyway, that was not the issue that the plaintiffs faced in Dover, because the books were classroom sets for the science classrooms. It is also probably the case that having 50+ copies of a book in a library is not going to have much more influence on the patrons than 1 or 2 copies; the primary effect is to take up space that could be occupied by other books.)

However, an interesting thing happened on the day after the Complaint was filed. Suddenly, we heard that the Pandas books had been put in the school library! What a coincidence! This plainly was part of the Thomas More Law Center’s defense strategy, because from that point on they accused the plaintiffs of trying to ban Pandas from the libary at every turn. In an interesting variant on the old lawyer joke about the facts and the law, the TMLC seemed to think that “If the facts are against you, change the facts!”

The Rutherford Institute Attempts to Intervene in Kitzmiller

(Note: all briefs quoted below are available in the Rutherford Intervention section of NCSE’s free online archive of Kitzmiller public legal filings. Don’t everyone download everything at once though, some of the documents are scans, which are quite large PDF files.)

The trite little manuever of turning Pandas into the world-record holder for “book with the most copies in a high school library” wasn’t going to fool anyone who was actually paying attention, however. Things came to a head in an early set of briefs dealing with the attempt by the right-wing Rutherford Institute to intervene in the case on behalf of some Dover parents who wanted to support the DASB’s ID policy. In their brief supporting their Application to Intervene, the Rutherford Institute attorneys wrote,

[I]t is the Plaintiffs – who seek to remove supplemental textbooks from the school library and to shield students from the fact that there are gaps in the theory of biological evolution – that would “do nothing to improve, and much to harm, science education in the school.”

(Rutherford Institute Answer in Intervention, p. 9, paragraph 47, filed January 17, 2005.)

On February 4, TMLC filed a Response to the Rutherford Institute’s Motion to Intervene. TMLC was in favor of this intervention, so it did its best to support the Rutherford Institute’s banned-from-the-library rhetoric. The following creative logic was employed by TMLC:

Although Plaintiffs’ “Prayer for Relief” asks this Court to remove Of Pandas and People from DASD’s “science classrooms” – leaving aside for the moment the appropriateness of asking a federal court to remove books from any classroom – when questioned directly about this book during her deposition, Plaintiff [Tammy] Kitzmiller plainly stated, “I don’t feel it should be anywhere in the school at all.” (See Kitzmiller Dep. at 100-01 at Ex. 1) (emphasis added).

(Defense Response to Motion to Intervene, p. 3, footnote 2. Emphases, citations, etc. are original.)

So, even though the Plaintiffs’ official Complaint specified that the issue was Pandas in the science classrooms, the TMLC thought it could rewrite history with a little quote-mining of a general opinion stated in a deposition.

Naturally, the Plaintiffs weren’t going to take this sort of thing lying down. In fact, in making this sort of plainly false claim, the Rutherford Institute had made a mistake that the Plaintiffs could exploit. It should be noted that this is an instance (there were a great many of these in Kitzmiller v. Dover) where the ID advocates went for superficially appealing but fundamentally dubious points, and, because the Plaintiffs’ legal team was not composed of easily-bafflegabbed politicians or inexperienced press,* but instead highly experienced attorneys, these cheap rhetorical tricks could easily be turned against the ID side to destroy their case. I don’t expect the ID movement to learn from this, since they obviously haven’t learned anything at all from Kitzmiller, but it is important for creationism watchers to understand this.

The Plaintiffs took the opportunity given to them. They argued at the very beginning of their Response to the Motion to Intervene,


Applicants have no right to intervene in this constitutional challenge to defendants’ “intelligent design policy” because there is no First Amendment right of parents to demand that a school teach any particular subject, because defendants will represent Applicants’ interest adequately, and – contrary to Applicants’ assertion – because plaintiffs do not seek to remove books from the school library.

(Plaintiffs’ Response to Rutherford Institute Motion to Intervene, p. 1, paragraph 1. Filed February 4, 2005. Bold added.)

Later on, the Plaintiffs pour it on:

Applicants also claim an interest “in making sure the supplemental textbook Of Pandas and People is not removed from Dover High School, especially the library.” Id. at 10. Applicants contend that plaintiffs seek to remove this book from Dover High School’s library. See Proposed Answer in Intervention ¶ 47 (“it is the Plaintiffs – who seek to remove supplemental textbooks from the school library ….”), ¶ 48 (“if the Plaintiffs are successful in censoring the Dover Area School Board and removing books from the school library ….”), Aff. Def. No. 2 (“The relief sought by the Plaintiffs – the limitation of access to books ….”).

Applicants are inexcusably wrong. Plaintiffs for their remedy seek to ensure that copies of the book Of Pandas and People are not maintained in the school’s science classrooms and that teachers of that class are not required to direct students to that textbook as part of the biology curriculum. Compl. at 22-23 (Prayer for Relief). Contrary to Applicants’ assertion, plaintiffs do not seek to have the book removed from the high school library.

(bold added)

And then at the end of the argument:

Finally, Applicants can allege a colorable constitutional claim only by mischaracterizing plaintiffs’ complaint. Applicants claim that plaintiffs “seek to remove supplemental textbooks from the school library.” See Proposed Answer in Intervention ¶ 48. This misreads the complaint, which seeks only to remove the book Of Pandas and People from the High School’s ninth grade biology class. See Compl. at 22-23. (Prayer for Relief). The mischaracterization is not surprising because the Third Circuit distinguishes removing books from a library and removing books from a classroom: “‘special characteristics of the school library make that environment especially appropriate for the recognition of the First Amendment rights of students,’ for the library, unlike the school classroom, is a place for voluntary inquiry and study.” See Kreimer v. Bureau of Police for Town of Morristown, 958 F.2d 1242, 1254 (3d Cir. 1992) (emphasis added). Therefore, under Third Circuit law Applicants would have a colorable claim only if plaintiffs sought to remove books from the library. Since Plaintiffs have not sought to remove any books from the library, Applicants are forced to mischaracterize the complaint. Obviously, Applicants cannot claim a right to intervene by mischaracterizing the pleadings.

(Plaintiffs’ Response to Rutherford Institute Motion to Intervene, pp. 10-11. Filed February 4, 2005. Italics original, bold added.)

The judge held oral arguments on the issue in addition to the written briefs, and on March 10, 2005 he issued his ruling. He held that the Motion to Intervene was timely (memo to the Foundation for Thought and Ethics and their apologists: this was a timely Application to Intervene), but ruled against the Rutherford Institute on the other criteria. And what do you think the court thought of the “banning from libraries” claim?

The basic holding in Pico [a case on school libraries] is that a school board does not have absolute discretion to remove books from a school library. Furthermore, the Supreme Court emphasized the limited scope of the case: “the only action challenged in this case is the removal from school libraries of books originally placed there by the school authorities, or without objection from them.” Id. at 862. Accordingly, as Plaintiffs submit, this case would only be relevant if Plaintiffs were seeking to remove books from Dover Area School District’s public school libraries, which they have not asserted.

Plaintiffs’ prayer for relief in their complaint states, in pertinent part, that they request an injunction requiring the removal of the book Of Pandas and People from “the School District’s science classrooms.” See Rec. Doc. 1 at 22(b)). Despite the Applicants’ assertions to the contrary, Plaintiffs further reiterated their desired relief, of requiring the removal of the aforementioned book from the science classrooms, in their submissions to the Court and at the hearing on the instant Motions before the Court on February 28, 2005. It is therefore clear to the Court that Plaintiffs only seek to remove the book Of Pandas and People from the Dover Area School District’s science classrooms, and not from its school libraries. Accordingly, we find that the Supreme Court’s Pico decision is not applicable to the case sub judice, as it concerned the removal of books from the library, and we decline to make new law extending the Supreme Court’s holding to the removal of books from science classrooms.

(Judge’s Memorandum and Order on Rutherford Institute Motion to Intervene, filed March 10, 2005, pp. 9-10. Bolds added.)

Whoops! Apparently, conservative judges don’t like it when you twist the facts, or when you ask them to go beyond Supreme Court precendent. What a suprise!


So, in summary, the complete bankruptcy of the claims that “the ACLU wants to ban Pandas from the library” was exposed and destroyed in federal court way back in the spring of 2005. Of course, this hasn’t stopped the ignorant or incompetent from repeating this claim ad nauseum in pro-ID propaganda, and it hasn’t stopped the Discovery Institute from constructing an entire broadcast around the entirely fake issue. But really, should we be surprised? PT readers know that the ID movement’s science sucks, and that they will happily twist and distort any science they can to their advantage; we also know that they will do the same to history, math, or anything else that seems convenient in their culture war. So we shouldn’t be surprised if they show the same tendencies in law as well. What is surprising is that they think this sort of thing won’t come back to bite them in the end. Pro-ID blogger David Heddle gets it (1, 2, 3), but he’s an exception as far as I can tell.

So, John West’s comments about book banning are probably the Silliest Thing I Will Hear All Week. But it’s only Monday.

P.S.: I almost forgot a final point: what happened to the Pandas books in the Dover school library? As far as I know, they are still there. Certainly the famous Kitzmiller decision from Judge Jones did not require the books to be removed from the library. It is perfectly constitutional to have creationist books in the library (at least if this fits with the previously determined educational purposes of the collection and there is no attempt to “stuff the shelves” with donated creationist books). If I were the librarian, I would keep a few copies in Dover – at this point, they are historically important even if educationally worthless – and make the others available to other libraries. After all, Of Pandas and People really is important if one wants to understand the creationist origins of “intelligent design.”


* Members of the press that have become experienced about ID, of course, are much more difficult for ID supporters to bafflegab that innocent reporters coming to the issue for the first time.

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Comment #134024

Posted by 'Rev Dr' Lenny Flank on September 25, 2006 6:39 PM (e)

But is it banned in Boston?

Comment #134048

Posted by Michael Suttkus, II on September 25, 2006 7:47 PM (e)

I wasn’t involved at the time, but the gang at the DebunkCreation Yahoo group tried donating some actual science books to the Dover library while they were in the middle of the Pandas nonsense, only to have the school board try to block them. (Lenny can give details.)

Who is it trying to ban books again? The Discoveryless Institute must require you to practice near psychotic levels of double-think before letting you on board.

Comment #134066

Posted by AJF on September 25, 2006 8:47 PM (e)

I for one would be in the front line protesting if the ACLU did try to remove creationist books from libraries, which of course they are not. I for one routinely borrow creationist material from my local library - I am interested in reading the so-called “evidence” they put forward, but there is no way I want to support them by paying for it!!

Comment #134089

Posted by Gerry L on September 25, 2006 10:12 PM (e)

My local library has a bunch of the Hovind DVDs. I debate checking them out to see the guy in action, but two things hold me back: 1) I would be embarassed to be seen with them, even (especially) by the people behind the circulation desk and 2) I don’t want to add to the circulation statistics for such material.

BTW, I’m a librarian.

Comment #134091

Posted by Adam on September 25, 2006 10:17 PM (e)

A party’s statements during deposition about legal theories asserted or relief sought in that party’s complaint or answer have no legal effect. In California, questions put to a party in a deposition about the legal aspects of his/her case are considered improper.

Comment #134093

Posted by Stephen Murphy on September 25, 2006 10:45 PM (e)

Nice post from Nick here.

Too bad Mike Dunford (article and link above) scooped the “help, help I’m being repressed” line for his blog on this; it fits.

I’m tempted to add “Bloody peasants” but that would draw the inevitable “What a giveaway” response from the DIehards…

Comment #134162

Posted by Dunc on September 26, 2006 7:49 AM (e)

Yeah what happened to the donated anti-creationist books?

And does the library have a proper bound copy of Judge Jones’ findings?

Comment #134163

Posted by Emerson "Ensjo" Costa on September 26, 2006 7:53 AM (e)

Is there something more “Orwellian” than trying to rewrite the past, as the ID folk want so badly to do?

Comment #134190

Posted by Tony Whitson on September 26, 2006 9:09 AM (e)

Judge Jones slipped up a little on this one:

The basic holding in Pico [a case on school libraries] is that a school board does not have absolute discretion to remove books from a school library. Furthermore, the Supreme Court emphasized the limited scope of the case: “the only action challenged in this case is the removal from school libraries of books originally placed there by the school authorities, or without objection from them.” Id. at 862.

Actually, there was no substantive holding in Pico. The Supreme Court split between 4 Justices who wrote that what the plaintiff’s alleged, if proven, would show that students’ First Amendment rights were violated by the School Board’s action. 4 other Justices wrote that even if they proved all their factual allegations, plaintiffs didn’t have any First Amendment rights that would have been violated by the School Board’s actions (and therefore they did not even have a right to have a trial where they could try to prove their allegations). Justice White was the 9th Justice, who said he couldn’t decide whether students had rights that would have been violated, and he did not want to reach a decision on that without having a trial record to examine.

So: The Justices split 4-4-1. Since White’s position put him with the 4 other Justices favoring the plaintiffs’ right to have a trial, the opinion by Justice Brennan is featured as the opinion “for the Court.” But the only conclusion supported by 5 Justices was the conclusion that the plaintiffs were entitled to a trial on their allegations. The case was eventually settled without a trial.

For more, see James Anthony Whitson: Constitution and Curriculum.

Comment #134194

Posted by JeffWebber on September 26, 2006 9:25 AM (e)

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Comment #134209

Posted by mark on September 26, 2006 10:28 AM (e)

Just as a sidebar, remember how the IDers keep saying it’s not about religion? Remember who paid for the books? (Hint–William “Deer in the Headlights” Buckingham’s church, after his solicitation).
They suffer such dysfunction when dealing with the facts.

Comment #134216

Posted by Peter Henderson on September 26, 2006 11:05 AM (e)

If I were the librarian, I would keep a few copies in Dover – at this point, they are historically important even if educationally worthless

Who knows, in years to come it could become a collectible. Maybe even valuable, especially if it was banned !

Comment #134223

Posted by Glen Davidson on September 26, 2006 11:59 AM (e)

Bringing up old news (oxymoron, I know), there is great irony in the accusations of censorship from the bunch which includes Dembski with his censorious blog (even if less so recently–they’re still far from being as free as PT), and the DI with its very limited avenues of reply. And of course this year there was a new forum launched for IDists to “discuss the evidence for ID”, which is closed to real science and real scientists.

ID has proven that it exists only where ideas are censored, or where the people are ignorant/stupid. This is why they wish to censor science, and to criticize its methods and conclusions in science class, so that the “right things” are said (as opposed to mere science), and so that as many people will remain ignorant about science as possible.

Of course they’re allowed to censor their forums and science. But they are hardly going to convince us about their sincerity to “open up” science when they cannot abide openness in either their “processes of modeling” or in their forums.

Glen D

Comment #134232

Posted by Mike on September 26, 2006 12:49 PM (e)

Heck, why not? They can get away with claiming that you can’t legally pray in a school, so why not claim that their books are banned? Actually, doesn’t this indicate just how far they’ve been beaten back in public opinion? The only audience they can talk to now are the willfully hallucinatory extremists. They’ve given up on the naive general public.

Comment #134234

Posted by Bill Gascoyne on September 26, 2006 1:02 PM (e)

Is there something more “Orwellian” than trying to rewrite the past, as the ID folk want so badly to do?

Not surprising, since after all we are talking about people who claim to be the Ministry of Truth.

Comment #134247

Posted by Lamuella on September 26, 2006 2:12 PM (e)

As of me checking Worldcat 45 seconds ago, the 1993 edition of Of Pandas And People is in 391 library systems. Another 153 have the 1989 edition. This includes school libraries, academic libraries, and public libraries. I can post the full listing if you want me to.

Comment #134250

Posted by lamuella on September 26, 2006 2:17 PM (e)

actually, the worldcat list does not incloude copies in school libraries. My mistake.

Comment #134439

Posted by Brit on September 26, 2006 9:18 PM (e)

My local library has a bunch of the Hovind DVDs. I debate checking them out to see the guy in action, but two things hold me back: 1) I would be embarassed to be seen with them, even (especially) by the people behind the circulation desk and 2) I don’t want to add to the circulation statistics for such material.

If you’re interested in seeing his videos, do a search on YouTube. You should find a whole bunch.

Comment #134471

Posted by Wheels on September 26, 2006 10:06 PM (e)

Since the DI is obviously so concerned about the intellectual freedoms of students they should urge their following to have all challenged and banned books reinstituted rather than bitching and moaning about their book which, as far as I can tell, neither banned nor challenged. I guess they’re too busy trying to block the testimonies of experts on the book, though. Pity.
It seems odd to me that some of those who cry the most loudly about persecution and being marginalized are often those who are trying to do just that to everybody else. This is especially so for much of the Religious Right. I hope I don’t have to hear any more about this apparent “War on Christmas” that we’re supposed to be waging.

Comment #134476

Posted by sparc on September 26, 2006 10:22 PM (e)

brilliant post, and even earlier online then the conceivable thread
‘ID book banning’ at

Comment #134706

Posted by Steve Reuland on September 27, 2006 11:46 AM (e)

Nick, that was a highly entertaining and very educational post. Man, the things you must have seen being there first hand…

Comment #134783

Posted by Peter Henderson on September 27, 2006 4:35 PM (e)

If you’re interested in seeing his videos, do a search on YouTube. You should find a whole bunch.

Here’s an example:

Comment #136638

Posted by Dr. Michael Martin on October 1, 2006 10:00 PM (e)

Still ranting about Dover are they? If I were an anti-propagandist, I’d have moved on by now, wouldn’t you?

Comment #140327

Posted by Tony Whitson on October 19, 2006 10:11 AM (e)

Just for a change, Nick, how about a “Darwinist” for your “silliest thing” recognition?

In fact, this one just might quslify as the silliest thing all month, or year, even. A “Darwinist” researcher has reported findings from his study of how homo sapiens will evolve over the coming millenia. He concludes that human will evolve into 2 subspecies by the year 3000. See

I expect the anti-Darwinists will leap on this as an example of what “Darwinism” is all about.