PvM posted Entry 1835 on December 23, 2005 08:01 PM.
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“ID is rapidly going international and crossing metaphysical and theological boundaries,” Dembski wrote. “The important thing is ID’s intellectual vitality.”

Source: Link

Seems that Bill understands that ID never really was science…

Or in the words of DeForrest Kelley (Dr McCoy)

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1. He’s Dead Jim
2. He’s Dead Jim
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4. He’s Dead Jim

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Comment #64573

Posted by Norman Doering on December 23, 2005 10:50 PM (e)

Dembski, at:

Published the $7,000 check Michael Ruse got for his anti-ID article in Playboy pointing out anti-ID is profitable. So, someone pointed out that Bill made money too, to which Dembski replied:

As for my cashing in on ID, I’ve admitted as much before and in the same terms: http://www.idthefuture.com/2005/04/the_truth_abo…. Think of ID and evolution as an arms race in which the arms manufacturers on both sides cash in. Let that thought cheer you this holiday season.

It’s a win-win situation for Dembski and Ruse as long as the topic is hot and people buy their writing.

If not evolution we might all be arguing about global warming. Thus we can blame Bill for the destruction of our planet, no?

Comment #64577

Posted by Pete Dunkelberg on December 23, 2005 11:10 PM (e)

“He’s dead Jim”. Do those links really work for everyone but me? This post has been up for two or three hours and no one has mentioned anything about strange links. I get switched to amazon.com.

Comment #64580

Posted by Pepeloco on December 23, 2005 11:17 PM (e)

The links don’t work because wavsource.com doesn’t allow hotlinking.

Try here then scroll down almost to the bottom of the page for the four “He’s dead, Jim” files.

Comment #64583

Posted by Pete Dunkelberg on December 23, 2005 11:41 PM (e)

Pepeloco, thanks!

Comment #64611

Posted by m. child on December 24, 2005 6:30 AM (e)

can I take exception to Dembski’s “going international” claim about ID? hey, I live outside the US and work in several different countries (and continents). EVERY conversation I have with anyone about this topic, no matter where, indicates that the world views creationism (including its modern variant, ID), as a uniquely American experience driven by fundamentalist groups and the fragmented organization of US schools. here in Europe, as in most countries, school curricula is set at the national level, rather than regions or municipalities. in other words, the US system provides more opportunities for crackpot theories to make headway into the schools. rather, what can be seen is a sort of missionary attempt by American fundamentalists to export their ideas to other countries. can’t say I can think of a single instance in which they have had any success. unless you define “success” as having the lonely few outside the US who previously labeled themselves as creationists now calling themselves instead “intelligent design advocates”. sounds like the same word game that was exposed at the Dover trial regarding the early and later drafts of the Pandas text.

anyway, ID may be lots of things, but “international” it sure ain’t.

Comment #64645

Posted by b49777 on December 24, 2005 1:53 PM (e)

“… and crossing metaphysical … boundaries …”
Perhaps some have taken metaphysical to mean too much. A teacher in CA attempting to teach ID as part of a ‘philosophy’ class listed as a guest speaker none other than Francis Crick. Talk about crossing boundaries. No I’m not kidding - sad.

As reported in the Bakersfield Californian:
The El Tejon Unified School District board was presented with a syllabus for the class earlier this month showing a list of speakers that included two evolutionists …”

But it turns out neither of the speakers listed as pro-evolution will be able to make it …”

One of the evolution speakers, geologist and school volunteer Ken Hurst, said he won’t speak because he doesn’t have time and he disagrees with the nature of the class.

The other – Nobel Prize winner Francis Crick – died in 2004

Comment #64689

Posted by guthrie on December 24, 2005 5:37 PM (e)

Talking about ID going international, when our local paper ran some articles critiscising ID, creationists crawled out the woodwork. Basically amongst the fundies here in Scotland there is an unfulfilled demand for something to beat up sciecne with, and ID is what they are after, even though in their letters, they showed little knowledge of what it was about. So, ID has a huge international audience, or potential client base, whatever way you want to put it, but I have seen no signs of it morphing into a powerful attack on evolutionary biology here in the uK. I’d love to see them try.

Comment #65084

Posted by sir_toejam on December 27, 2005 3:51 AM (e)

billy boy’s shutting down Uncommon Descent.

seems it’s a waste of his time.

must be all the time he spends deleting every substantive post.

oh well.

I think he wants to cut his ties to all of his current paper trails, so he won’t get booted from trial lists any more. He’s said some pretty stupid stuff on UD.