Prof. Steve Steve posted Entry 980 on April 27, 2005 01:36 PM.
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As many of you know, I am here in Lawrence, Kansas to cover the Kansas State Board of Education’s hearings kangaroo court on whether Intelligent Design Science should be included in the state science standards.

Since many of you might not have known that there was such a thing as “Intelligent Design Science” (as contrasted with “Intelligent Design Creationism”, which label seems to throw the Intelligent Design Creationists into a tizzy fit), I’ve persuaded one of my arch nemeses, the esteemed legal flak “Dr.” Courtney Kangaroo, to explain it all to us.

Steve Steve: Good morning, “Dr.” Courtney.

Courtney K.: Hi Steve. I heard those quotation marks. I am a real doctor, you know. I have a Ph.D. in Quantum Apologetics from a little place you might have heard of called MIT.

S2: Really? I didn’t know that the Massachusetts Institute of Technology gave out apologetics degrees!

CK: Oh. No. I meant the Marsupial Institute of Theology. It’s in Australia.

S2: Well, Dr. Courtney, you are here in Lawrence to argue to the Kansas Board of Education in favor of including “Intelligent Design Science” in the statewide biology curriculum. Without giving your strategy away, can you tell me exactly what your strategy will be?

CK: Steve Steve, the Kansas taxpayers have flown in experts (First Class on Qantas, in my case!) in Intelligent Design Science from all over the world to make the case that Intelligent Design Science is not Intelligent Design Creationism, but SCIENCE. Since it really, really is science, the school-children in Kansas ought to be exposed to it. It’s only fair.

S2: But didn’t the science standards writing committee already reject the Intelligent Design Science proposals on the grounds that they really aren’t accepted science.

CK: Sure, but that’s just the majority opinion of the committee, Steve.  The majority on the school board support Intelligent Design Science, and they’ve got the votes.  It’s their job to protect the public from the tyranny of the “viewpoint discrimination” being offered by the science committee.

S2: Huh. Well, perhaps you can tell me something about this Intelligent Design Science. First of all, I’m an educated panda: I read lots of the scienctific journals. Why don’t you see papers on Intelligent Design Science in the peer-reviewed literature?

CK: It’s simple, Steve Steve. A conspiracy of the darwinist orthodoxy paradigm. Just because you don’t read about IDS in the literature now, doesn’t mean that you won’t sometime in the future. ID is the science of the future—

S2: And it always will be?

CK: — hmm? You know, Lysenko was once an unknown biologist. Just look where he ended up. All it took was a little bit of government assistance to get the young interested in his program. Then, Wham! he was everywhere!

S2: So you see Lysenko as your model then?

CK: Along with Jacques Benveniste, yes. Sometimes the scientific establishment needs a push from those who know better in order to do the right research.

Prof. Steve Steve interviews “Dr.” Courtney Kangaroo.

S2: But there are serious people doing Intelligent Design Science research right now? That seems to be what the Discovery Institute claims.

CK: Oh, certainly!

S2: And we don’t hear from them… why?

CK: It’s that conspiracy thing again. If the young, idealistic, forward-thinking, paradigm-breaking researchers let down their guard for a second, they will have no hope whatsoever of getting tenure. So they suppress their findings.

S2: The courage of their convictions, eh? But I remember hearing this point being made as long ago as 1996. Wouldn’t some of these researchers have already come up for tenure?

CK: Well, you might think so. But they’ve been busy with other things.

S2: You mean like Christian apologetics?

CK: Oh, no, no, no! They’ve had some health problems, first of all. Then their mother died, and they were just devastated by that. And finally, there was a run-in with the department chair, completely unrelated to Intelligent Design Science. Luckily the tenure commitee has — I mean, the committees have been willing to put the decisions off for a couple more years.

S2: Is this the case for “Mike Gene”? I recall that in 2002, Dembski had said that Gene was almost up for tenure, after which he would sprout a mature Intelligent Design Science from his forehead. That was almost three years ago.

CK: I don’t know anything about Mike Gene, except that he is a well-respected super-productive biologist at a small secular college, who will soon be a shining star in the Intelligent Design Science firmament. In the future.

S2: William Dembski has been called the “Isaac Newton of Information Theory.” Do you agree with this assessment?

CK: Oh sure! Although I’d probably say instead that he is more like the “Pierre de Fermat of Complexificationism.” You know how Fermat proved a major result, but didn’t have the space to write it down? Dembski’s just like that. He really does have a major result. He just hasn’t had enough space to convey its details. Maybe in his next couple dozen books he’ll be able to get the point across.

S2: Thanks for joining me. We’ll look forward to your further commentary as the kangaroo court progresses.

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Comment #26953

Posted by bill on April 27, 2005 1:50 PM (e)

And all this time I thought Dembski wore jumpers to cover up his paunch. Now I see it’s to cover his pouch! Ah, so. It suddenly becomes clear…

Comment #26966

Posted by Guitar Eddie on April 27, 2005 3:13 PM (e)

Watch out, Steve.

She might stuff you in her pouch for contempt.

Comment #26968

Posted by Bayesian Bouffant, FCD on April 27, 2005 3:42 PM (e)

You yourself could become an expert in Quantum Apologetics with this Reasons to Beleive video featuring Hugh Ross and Dr. Mark Clark.

As they help the lay person to develop an informed opinion on these theories, they underscore the fact that the more people learn about quantum mechanics the more evidence they uncover for the presence, power, and activity of a Divine Creator.

Comment #26972

Posted by Burt Humburg on April 27, 2005 4:21 PM (e)


I hope I get a chance to meet Dr. Courtney Kangaroo. I’ve met most of the IDC leading lights and I can’t pass up an opportunity to meet a new face.


Comment #26979

Posted by Engineer-Poet on April 27, 2005 5:06 PM (e)

Courtney Kangaroo
Sums up everything about
This “Design Science”

(I swear, Prof. Steve Steve keeps picking stuff that’s perfect for senryu.)

Comment #27050

Posted by Hiero5ant on April 28, 2005 9:37 AM (e)

I would have thought the phrase “quantum apologetics” applied to ID Creationism, in that it is a form of religious argument which instantaneously alters its direction whenever you shine a light on it.

Comment #27234

Posted by Henry J on April 29, 2005 12:10 PM (e)

An uncertainty principle that applies to arguments? Interesting…

Comment #27848

Posted by Timothy Scriven on May 3, 2005 3:31 AM (e)

Stop insulting Australia. At present we are, going by population size, one of the finest scientfic and academic research centers in the world. Who first teleported the photon? We did! Who can boast possesing David Chalmers, we can!

Comment #27851

Posted by Wesley R. Elsberry on May 3, 2005 4:58 AM (e)

Australia is also noted for its exports, such as Ken Ham of Answers in Genesis.

Comment #27888

Posted by John Clavis on May 3, 2005 11:45 AM (e)

When parents are quoted as saying, “We have a right to decide what our children are taught,” you know the end is near. The efforts to sow disdain and contempt for “intellectuals” – scientists, the educated, professors, experts – have led us to a country (USA) where people read the news that confirms their existing beliefs, go to churches and meetings to receive emotional confirmation of their existing prejudices and misperceptions, and who feel that personal, emotional belief in an idea trumps the consensus of an educated community dedicated to in-depth study.

Democracy sucks.

Comment #27910

Posted by Sir_Toejam on May 3, 2005 2:56 PM (e)

“Australia is also noted for its exports, such as Ken Ham of Answers in Genesis.”

I thought Australia was noted for lamb, not ham?

learn somethin new every day.

Comment #27923

Posted by Henry J on May 3, 2005 4:44 PM (e)

And here I though Australia was noted for kangaroos, koalas, and Steve Irwin.

Comment #27967

Posted by Azazel on May 3, 2005 9:37 PM (e)


Comment #28265

Posted by "Rev Dr" Lenny Flank on May 4, 2005 9:07 PM (e)

Australia is also noted for its exports, such as Ken Ham of Answers in Genesis.

More accurately, though, Ham is an IMPORT to Australia — he cut his creationist eyeteeth as a member of ICR in California.